Pekiti-Tirsia and Sayoc Kali?

[arnisador]

I've heard it suggested that Pekiti Tirsia and Sayoc Kali are related systems, and that the latter borrows heavily from the former. I've only had one seminar in Pekiti Tirsia and two in Sayoc Kali so I can't really judge. Is this indeed the case?

[Delta]

Guro Steve L gave this discription of the two arts on the Sayoc Forum.

http://sayoc.com/forums/viewtopic.ph...=pekiti+tersia

If you have further question please feel free to ask a question on the Sayoc Forum. There are alot of people there that can help you with any questions you might have.

Nicholas Stevens

[arnisador]

Thanks! That compares the systems, but I was more curious about the history--the claim that Sayoc Kali was developed from Pekiti Tirsia.

I've attended a couple of Sayoc seminars and think it's great stuff--unfortunately, no one offers it near me!

[Delta]

Sorry for the long time in replying. I've had a very busy week.

Sayoc Knife work does not come from Pekiti Tersia. While Tuhon Sayoc did Train with Tuhon Gaje in the late 70's to early 80's. The Sayoc family art was already in existence.

Tuhon Gaje did help in the continuing evolution of Sayoc Kali as did all of Tuhon Sayocs Mentors (Manong Dan, Tantang Canete, etc, )
I hope this Helps.

Respectfully,

Nicholas Stevens

[arnisador]

It happened again last night--we were talking about knifework and of course the Pekiti and Sayoc groups come up as an example of those especially well-versed in the subject. Again, someone suggests that they are basically the same art as far as knife-fighting is concerned. Perhaps such speculation is not well-informed if the Sayoc art has been around for a long time, but I hear it fairly often!

[Airyu]

Hello Guys!

Tuhon Sayoc did train with Master Leo Gaje, during the 70's (about 2-3 years) HE has also trained with several other FMA masters as well. During the 70's and 80's the Sayoc household held several Filipino Cultural events where many notable Masters came shared the food and did some training. Master Remy Presas, Professor Vee, Master Gaje etc. etc. most of the famous East Coast pioneers attended these events.

Having trained in PKT as well as Sayoc Kali for quite awhile, I can say that they are very different. With any art you will always see some similarities to other arts, but only with a little time you will see the differences.

My final caveat:
The people who say they are basically the same haven't trained in both arts for any length of time.

gumagalang
Guro Steve L.

www.Bujinkandojo.net
www.Sayoc.com

[arnisador]

Someone else feels this way, and they edited the Sayoc Kali Wikipedia entry to reflect it. This is from the version that was added recently (it has since been edited again):

Sayoc Kali is a knife-based style of Kali, very heavily influenced by Pekiti Tirsia Kali. It is claimed to be a family system, headed by Chris Sayoc. Before their exposure to Pekiti Tirsia Kali, the Sayocs were teaching tae kwon do.

This is a persistent belief!

[Delta]

Hello there,

Tuhon Sayoc had a school that was separated into two sections. The front was where people who wanted to learn Tae kwon do was located. The second half in the back was for FMA training. People that visited and trained was Professor Remy Presas and Tuhon Gaje among others.

So yes, Tuhon Sayoc did teach Tae Kwon do but that was not all he was doing nor was that all he knew until Tuhon Gaje came along. If you go to the web site www.sayoc.com you can see in fact that many of the Senior instructors started their training with Tatang Bo Sayoc in FMA/Sayoc Fighting System and then Tuhon Sayoc took over when his father retired.

Respectfully,

Nicholas Stevens

[arnisador]

I didn't know that Remy Presas had a Sayoc connection, but I'm not surprised!

[arnisador]

I've received some private comments that indicate an historical Pekiti-Sayoc connection. Again, whether or not this belief is correct, it's surely common!