Dumog! Dumog! Dumog!

[Marvin Diem]

Hey All! I'd like to get a discussion going on dumog techniques. What do you consider dumog? Locks, sweeps, throws, breaks, strangles etc. Although I don’t do much FMA anymore, I still find a few of the kali/silat neck and shoulder locks sneaking into my ground game.

[arnisador]

When I think of dumog I think mostly of the arm/shoulder/head locks, but not so much about sweeps, throws, and wrist locks. Maybe it's because the former are what's so unique about dumog techniques to my mind.

[Marvin Diem]

Anyone play with dumog?

[Danny T]

Not certain of such a question like “What do you consider dumog?”

That is like asking, “What do you consider grappling or wrestling?” If I wrap my arm around your neck and choke you, whether standing or on the ground, is it Jujitsu, BJJ, Silat, Wrestling, Grappling, Karate, Kung Fu, Catch as catch can, or any other named way of fighting? Dumog is a general term for Filipino wrestling and grappling. It includes a wide range of locks, chokes, throws, trips, sweeps and pins. These blend and flow from the Filipino boxing and kicking methods, and are applied with or without a weapon. There is standup grappling and wrestling, utilizing off-balancing techniques, throws, and neck turning to force an opponent to the ground. Traditionally opponents would engage by holding the other’s belt or by encircling each other's waist and attempt to throw and unbalance each other. Victory was declared when the opponent's shoulders squarely touched the ground. It is a ground fighting art also, utilizing locks, chokes and strikes to submit opponents on the ground. It is primarily concerned with grounding an opponent in such a way as to cause maximum damage to joints, ligaments and tendons followed by a flurry of strikes designed to distract and disable an opponent prior to applying a pin, lock or choke.

There are few unique aspects of Dumog such as the some of the leg sweeps and locks as well as the head and neck cranks. However it is simply a Filipino flare of grappling. So now, I guess we need to discuss what is considered grappling: The act of seizing or grasping and holding. With that in mind Dumog is the Filipino way of seizing or grasping an opponent and taking them to the ground to submit them whether a weapon is utilized of not. Any and all aspects of doing that are Dumog.

Danny

[Marvin Diem]

Thanks for the response Danny, as I’m sure you are aware there are thousands of martial styles in originating from the Philippines. This is more of a terminology/ cultural anthropology/ style question. My question is what do “you” as individual FMA players or maybe “your style” consider dumog? Does it start with standing locks or does it start with the sweep/throw or after you are on the ground? weapons etc. There is a lot of variation in the “Filipino flare” i.e. northern, southern, silat, bersilat. kun tao, etc.
Any clearer?

[Brian R. VanCise]

Hey Marvin,

Personally the way it was explained to me is that Dumog is the locking
aspect and the transition to the ground and finally the control position.
With so many different FMA the question I have is how many of them
actually use the term Dumog? I would bet that only a handful use
that term.

Brian R. VanCise
www.instinctiveresponsetraining.com

[Balintawak]

Thanks for the response Danny, as I’m sure you are aware there are thousands of martial styles in originating from the Philippines. This is more of a terminology/ cultural anthropology/ style question. My question is what do “you” as individual FMA players or maybe “your style” consider dumog? Does it start with standing locks or does it start with the sweep/throw or after you are on the ground? weapons etc. There is a lot of variation in the “Filipino flare” i.e. northern, southern, silat, bersilat. kun tao, etc.
Any clearer?

I generally do not use the term, but when corned and asked, Joint locks are Joint locks that can be applied anywhere. Dumog is a technique that either ends up on the ground or used on the ground. So, if you use the same technique and both are standing, then I would not call it Dumog personally. Also a reason I do nto use the term, but use more generic terms I can reference such as Joint Locks, throws/sweeps, etcetera.

[tim_stl]

Thanks for the response Danny, as I’m sure you are aware there are thousands of martial styles in originating from the Philippines. This is more of a terminology/ cultural anthropology/ style question. My question is what do “you” as individual FMA players or maybe “your style” consider dumog? Does it start with standing locks or does it start with the sweep/throw or after you are on the ground? weapons etc. There is a lot of variation in the “Filipino flare” i.e. northern, southern, silat, bersilat. kun tao, etc.
Any clearer?

'my style' (garimot) uses the term buno, which is the tagalog equivalent of dumog. buno covers nearly everything from striking to throws to locks and pins, and also includes the use of a rope (lubid) as a weapon. many things that are considered buno would also be a part of arnis- there is overlap. in particular, much of the knife work can be combined with buno techniques. is that arnis or buno? both.



tim