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    Ok I found some "references to Snookie Sanchez who apparently is known for his abilites of using a whip...

    Eustaquio "Snookie Sr." Sanchez Jr., 58, of Waipahu, a martial artist who founded the Universal Fighting Star-Kali Escrima and the art of "Latigo" the Bullwhip, died May 18 at home. Sanchez, U.S. Coast Guard veteran,
    As well as postings by other people..

    http://www.filipinomartialartsmuseum..._comments.html


    07 Nov 2006
    From: Erwin Harry Vicente Legaspi
    Subject: Snookie Sanchez Greetings Jay,
    It is great to still see my grandmaster being recognized in the FMA
    circles. Just for the record, I just wanted to put out that his real
    first name was "Eustaquio," but of course everyone called him "Snookie."
    Btw, he is a Jr., so his actual name was Eustaquio 'Snookie' Sanchez II,
    as is written on his cemetary plaque.
    I commend you for doing something like this. I wish I was a better
    resource. I met the old tatas and manongs who knew tons of masters here
    in [COLOR=orange ! important][COLOR=orange ! important]Hawaii[/color][/color], but I've forgotten sooo many of their names . . champions
    during the era when it was still territorial Hawai`i. Of course, you
    have some good noted ones, but I remember others, even Snookie and his
    compadres talked about, who were well known here in Hawai`i, unfortunately
    lost in the annals of history somewhere.
    Salamat,
    Erwin Legaspi
    http://forums.doghouseboxing.com/ind...howtopic=73452

    Laugh all you want tough boys, but Heavy, you and Joey know that I don't BS when it comes to this side of martial arts.

    His name is, rest his soul, Grand Master Snookie Sanchez. I've seen him do this with my own eyes, several times. In particular, of course one can feel heat from a distance in a room. I've also witnessed him do this in a park, light breeze, in 80 plus [COLOR=orange ! important][COLOR=orange ! important]weather[/color][/color], at a Kajukenbo exhibition.

    I don't know if some of you may remember, but this cat was on the tele years back, when he also had a bus or [COLOR=orange ! important][COLOR=orange ! important]truck[/color][/color] (front wheel) roll over his mid body.

    Snookie has done a lot in his days and ALL of his students learned for free.

    My son is also pretty close to Snookie's son, who is also a guru in the art of [COLOR=orange ! important][COLOR=orange ! important]stick [COLOR=orange ! important]fighting[/color][/color][/color].

    Hopefully I can get a hold of a video, from Snookie Jr.

    [COLOR=orange ! important][COLOR=orange ! important]Hawaii[/color][/color] is screamin with all types of martial arts and talents. I'll give you more stuff later.

    Any questions on the above?
    Also there is the following book

    THE FILIPINO FIGHTING WHIP Advanced Training Methods and Combat Applications by Tom Meadows The Filipino Fighting Whip reflects the 1,500-year-old legacy of the Filipino martial arts updated for today’s realities. The technical foundation for the techniques in the book come primarily from two Filipino systems – Inosanto-LaCoste Kali taught by Guro Dan Inosanto and the Corto method of Doce Pares eskrima taught by Grandmaster Cacoy Canete – but also incorporates Western and Australian influences. This book is a comprehensive guide for advanced training methods and combat applications as practiced and taught by the best fighters and whip practitioners in the world, including Inosanto, Canete, Snookie Sanchez, Anthony DeLongis and the author, Tom Meadows, among others. These methods offer a hands-on, no-nonsense approach to progressively training in combative whip techniques. This important addition to martial arts literature features chapters on the evolution of whips and their fighting techniques; the various types of whips, including the Western bullwhip, the Doce Pares rope whip and custom self-defense whips made by Peter Jack and Joe Strain; manipulation skills and range-control techniques; self-defense theories and sparring drills; cracking and slashing with the whip; safe handling techniques; and construction, care, maintenance and repair of whips. The Filipino fighting arts are known for their versatility, graceful movements and effectiveness, and this is especially true of the whip arts. Let Tom Meadows show you how to safely, enjoyably and easily incorporate the whip into your fighting arsenal. 5 1/2 x 8 1/2, softcover, photos, 216 pp.

    Tom Meadows began his study of the whip in 1957 when he was 5 years old. In 1962, he began his formal training in the martial arts with the study of archery and Kodokan judo in Tokyo. In 1987, he began his training in the Filipino martial arts under Guro Dan Inosanto. Currently he holds instructorships under Guro Inosanto in the Filipino martial arts and the Jun Fan martial arts of Bruce Lee.


    See the names are out there it just kinda of all over the place and no one knows about all the ties to Hawaii.
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    From: "Tom Meadows" <tmeadows@neteze.com>
    Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:10:03 -0700
    Subject: eskrima: Snookie Sanchez

    Last issue Chad wrote: "For any of you that don't know,Snookie was
    exceptional with a whip. Even after having a few drinks,
    the man could whip out flames on a candle held by (I think it was his son)
    while blindfolded. "

    I have videos of three different demos of Snookie Sanchez putting out
    candles while blindfolded and they are impressive in many ways. The funny
    thing for me is that while I liked certain aspects of his whip work, I was
    even more impressed with his Kali and the fact that he was in exceptional
    physical condition, which many of us, myself included, should give more
    thought to.

    For those who don't know, Snookie Sanchez died about two years ago from a
    heart attack at the age of 58, and like Chad, everyone that trained with
    him has had nothing but good things to say about him.

    tom
    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:47:23 -1000 (HST)
    From: TABULA RAZA <elegaspi@hawaii.edu>
    To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net
    Subject: [Eskrima] Braulio Pedoy
    Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

    I have also read a similar magazine article about GM Pedoy, printed in the
    1970's. He was a very religous man, part of the Filipino Federation or
    "Moncadistas" (pej.) that were very prominent during the early plantation
    days in Hawaii and the West Coast. I saw a documentary interview once
    about him. He said, "I know you won't believe this, but I pray three
    times a day, starting at 3pm. Every time I pray in the morning I see
    God." GM Pedoy, although I never met him, I 've heard good things about
    him, especially about his spirituality. If you want to pay your respects
    Ray, he is buried at the Hawaii Memorial Park (I think that's the name) at
    the Moncado Federation Plot. I know because he is buried near my great
    grandfather. I talked to present members of the Federation, and they told
    me both men were deeply into mysticism. Suprisingly, in the Federation,
    there were many eskrimadors, though not as famous as GM Pedoy. Guro Ted
    Lucaylucay used to talke about his dad training with some of them in
    Hawaii (read the article about him online). In fact most of the
    eskrimadors that I know of, that came from Hawaii, GM Pedoy, GM
    Villabrille, GM Subing-subing, and my own teacher, Maestro Snookie
    Sanchez, all had some mystical tinge to their nature as eskrimadors.
    Btw,if you want to pay your respects also, M. Snookie is buried at the
    Hawaii Veterans' Park right next to the one GM Pedoy is at. Though he is
    marked as Eustaquio Sanchez, since he was a former frogman for the Coast
    Guard, detonating mines during the KoreanWar.



    -Erwin Legaspi
    "All I have ever longed for in my life . . . a vision of God." - 9th and
    10th century Sufi mystic Mansur Al-Hallaj

    "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained
    only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." - Jiddu Krishnamurti
    Gotta give it up to the resources like the Eskrima Digest and many thanks to the people at the Eskrima Digest for making the past "issues" available for research!

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    Another goodie from Eskrima Digest, this may have been posted before..

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    From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
    To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima)
    Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:23:39 -0700 (PDT)
    Subject: [Eskrima] GGM Pedoy
    Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

    Interview with Derobio's GreatGrandMaster Braulio Pedoy, from 1977.

    (FAH = Fighting Arts of Hawaii)


    FAH: Where in the Philippines did you come from?

    PEDOY: I came from Ormoc, Leyte.

    FAH: When did you come to Hawaii?

    PEDOY: I arrived in 1924. My destination was Olaa Plantation on the Big Island.

    FAH: Why did you come to Hawaii?

    PEDOY: My friend told me, "We go Hawaii. Hawaii is good -- easy to make
    money." The temptation was in my mind, a conflict already with what my
    Master told me on how I should live my life.

    FAH: So you worked the plantations all your life?

    PEDOY: No, I spent many years as a fisherman, and during the WWII, I was a
    security guard for the Army. After that, I worked 11 years for Gaspro.
    >From that time until now, I haven't worked. That is my history from the
    time I came to Hawaii. But if you go to my history in the Philippines,
    there is a whole different story to tell. I went from island to island,
    like my Master told me, to further my studies in Escrima. In every village,
    there are different movements and counters. Kali has very different
    movements than Derobio.

    FAH: How long did you go from island to island?

    PEDOY: Over three years.

    FAH: How old were you when you did this?

    PEDOY: I was 17 years old. I was 20 when I decided to go to Hawaii.

    FAH: How long had you been training with your Master?

    PEDOY: Since I was 6 years old until I was 17. And from there I went island
    to island. First, however, my Master told me to study about the ocean, and
    of the philosophy of the sea. If you were to climb to the top of a tree and
    look into the ocean, you would see different shades of blue. The darker the
    blue, the deeper the water. In the lighter areas it is shallow, rough, and
    noisy. Many are at this level, close-minded people with conflicting goals
    in life who tend to use their mouths loosely. We must look towards the
    deeper water where it is calm and peaceful, where your morals run deep and
    only pure thoughts come out of your mouth. Thus, you can observe for
    yourself what is shallow and what is deep. In every one of us the Lord
    provided seven gateways for us to observe the environment. Each of us has
    two eyes, two ears, two nostrils, and a mouth. Only the mouth can get us
    into serious trouble with our fellow man -- thus, one should be very careful
    in what one says. Give good advice, don't lie, and never gossip, for it
    might not be true. Then you can get your humbleness from that.

    FAH: When you came to Hawaii, were you a Master already?

    PEDOY: Yes, I had developed already. I had been all over the Philippine
    Islands.

    FAH: How did you meet your Master?

    PEDOY: My father was a very mean person. Everyday he gave me lickings. So,
    at 6 years of age, I ran away. I went along the main trail until I came to
    a fork in it; one way to the big city, the other to the mountains. If I was
    to go to town, my father might still yet catch me, so I went the other way.
    I just walked with no destination. I just walked, walked, and walked. For
    4 days, I roamed the forest. Then I saw a small shack where someone had, at
    one time or another, built a fire. So I sat down and waited, for I thought
    to myself, someone lives in this place, thank God. Later in the evening,
    that man came back, and he was very surprised to see me. He asked how I had
    come to this place, and I pointed to the pass in the mountains I had come
    through. He said, "I know other people come from the opposite way to this
    place, but no one can pass through your way -- it's too dangerous."

    FAH: What was so dangerous about the pass?

    PEDOY: There were plenty of poisonous snakes that get bigger than men. But
    at the time, I didn't see any snakes during the day and at night I climbed
    high into the branches of the trees. My Master told me, "God guided you to
    me. He wanted you to learn how to defend yourself -- so he brought you to
    me, for that is the talent I have to give to you."

    FAH: What was your Master doing in this out-of-the way place?

    PEDOY: My Master was a wanted man with a large reward offered for him.
    That's why he hid deep in the forest. He was a general during the
    revolution against the Spanish. and again later during the Filipino-American
    War. When the United States won and the Filipinos were required by law to
    salute the American flag, he would not. To the Filipino flag, he would
    salute, but to no other country's flag he would show respect. Too many of
    his men had died fighting for independence in the battlefields. That's why
    the authorities put him in jail. That man had great powers -- no jail could
    hold him. The guards were there, yet no one saw him escape.

    FAH: And he went to the mountains?

    PEDOY: Yes, he ran away to the forest. He was a man of great powers, powers
    he received from heaven through his prayers. Snakes wouldn't go near him,
    animals wouldn't eat the rice he planted. There was plenty of wild boars,
    deer, and birds. But nothing touched his rice. We wouldn't chase them away
    either, just leave them alone. And when it was time to harvest, we would
    thank the Lord for our food. See what power's he had?

    FAH: So when you were 17, you left your Master?

    PEDOY: Yes, but before I was to return to civilization, I was told to study
    the movements of the trees and of the ocean, to observe carefully the
    motions of the branches in the wind. You must be able to get away from the
    force of the blow and return to an equal, balanced position. Thus, to be an
    Escrimador you have to carefully study the land and sea while also searching
    for those unusual things in nature God has created. After 11 years, I went
    back to my father's place.

    FAH: Did your father recognize you after 11 years?

    PEDOY: Yes, he tried to hit me with a stick. I just took it away. I didn't
    hit him back. He asked me how I survived all these years. I told him I
    found a man and we lived together in the forest. I stayed two or three
    weeks with my father, then I went away. I didn't tell him that I was going
    from island to island to practice, I just left. He never learned anything
    of what I had learned.

    FAH: Didn't you regret leaving your Master after 11 years?

    PEDOY: My Master told me that this was no place for me to live all of my
    life. He said I would have to leave after my examination.

    FAH: What examination?

    PEDOY: My final test to become Master of the Derobio system of Escrima.
    Each of us had two sharp bolo knives. We were to fight in actual combat.
    My Master told me, "If you can kill me, kill me. I in turn will try my best
    to kill you. If either of us gets wounded badly, the other has to kill him
    because there is no doctor, we would only suffer. So better defend yourself
    well, or else." Before the examination, I prayed for days, asking my Lord
    Jesus Christ, to protect me. The battle was long and tiring; each of us
    used our best fakes and counters. When it was over, he was unhurt, whereas
    I suffered cuts on my hands and face. But only the tip of his bolos cut me,
    not deep enough that I let down my defense.

    FAH: When was the first time anyone knew you were a Master in Escrima?

    PEDOY: Oh, I never showed anyone I knew Escrima. But when there was
    trouble, my neighbors found out I knew how to defend myself. Especially
    with newly-arrived Filipinos, when there was trouble, out came the knife.
    When they would use it, I would take it away. That's how they know I know
    Escrima. But I never taught anybody before, only Eddie (his son).

    FAH: And that was the first time you taught?

    PEDOY: Yes, the first person I taught was my son, and only after he had
    taken Karate. One time, however, some officers of the Honolulu Police
    Department asked to learn. I showed them how easy it was for me to hit them
    with my sticks. Soon they stopped coming over. Do you know why I started
    training Eddie? Because I thought to myself about the Chinese martial art
    of Kung Fu, about the Japanese with their Judo and Karate, and about the
    Americans with their boxing. I know the Filipino community in Hawaii has
    some good Escrimadors, but they never show or share their talent. That's
    why I began teaching Eddie -- so that we could preserve a valuable part of
    the Filipino culture and heritage, and to give an opportunity to the younger
    Filipinos who don't have Escrimadors in their families a chance to learn
    Escrima, thereby increasing their pride in themselves and their heritage. I
    then told Eddie to find instructors and to teach them well. Teach them to
    pray, because that is also an important part of being an Escrimador. And
    when you get your instructors ready, open a public Filipino Martial Arts
    School. That is how our school began over five years ago, when we first
    opened in Waipahu. Today I have nine full instructors under my son, who of
    course is my chief instructor.

    --__--__--

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    Robert you are a resourceful person, thanx so much for these last several posts. The information shows use a glimpse of how it was in Hawaii, when I was a kid. I always noticed that at the pool halls no one ever really bothered the old manongs that were there. They were such good pool shooters, especially when they played something they called'check-check' or something like that. The 2 pool halls that I went to a lot was the Aiea one by the camp and the one in Waipahu above Arakawas store across from the sugar mill. I really hope others appreciate the info that you're gathering and posting here you have opened a whole new viewpoint of FMA in America by your research and it sure saves me from having to search for it. Sure makes me homesick , Hawaii is not the same as it was then it was humble beginnings for many of us in those days . Great job Braddah promoting Hawaii FMA. Aloha

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertlk808 View Post
    If I have enough time later Ill type out the chapter on RaymondTobosa that was written in Mark Wiley's Filipino Martial Culture , it is really interesting. In fact it was written "To honor his masters, the late Raymond Tobosa 1960 Raymond Tobosa founded the United Pilipino Martial Arts Association of Hawaii on February 16th 1980." It is also written that "In attendance at the official meeting and the start of the UPMAAH were the late Grandmasters Floro Villabrille and Braulio Pedoy as well as masters Teofisto Tobosa, Frank Mamalias, Snookie Sanchez, Rudy Orlando, Matt Ihara and Esmile Espaniola."

    Pretty darn cool huh?

    Now I have heard the name Snookie Sanchez before, in fact one of his students Ian Beltran teaches at the 02 gym off of Kam Highway.

    MChief, Stixmaster?? Do you guys know anything about the others that were mentioned. A book is a GREAT idea and I would love to be a part of that project!!
    I crosstrained with Raymond Tabosa in the 70's. He was a good friend of GGM Pedoy. I know Rudy Orlando and Snookie Sanchez personally. When I was training in CHA_3 Kenpo under Tommy Torado and Prof. Tiwanek I had the opportunity to meet Esmile ( Smiley ) Espaniola. Smiley was also an Escrimador. Frank, I met at family functions. He was great with his hands. A book of Hawaii Escrimadors would be great if one could find the sons, daughters and grandchildren to interview. I'm sure they have tons of pictures and history.
    GT C. Siangco

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    Got more info guys, all from the great resource of the Eskrima Digest. I think Ill will contact some of the posters and ask them to come to the forums and share their knowledge about FMA in Hawaii

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    From: Ray Terry <raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>
    Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:29:00 PDT
    Subject: eskrima: Floro Villabrille

    Guro Harrell sent a msg to the list, but from an unsub-ed addr, so it couldn't
    go thru. But he referred back to this info that he submitted last year, from
    issue v07.n527.

    Ray


    Forwarded message:

    From: "Mark Harrell" <mark_harrell@hotmail.com>
    Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 19:12:10 GMT
    Subject: eskrima: Villabrille

    I am sure that post will fall upon deaf ears and closed minds but
    here it goes anyway...

    There does seem to be alot of things being said about the late
    Mr. Villabrille that are nothing more than inflammatory statements
    not based in fact, but in hearsay. Let me attempt to shed some light
    on a few documented facts. Oh, yeah before I get up on my soap box
    (ha, ha)let me say that I personally do not think that bickering over
    hearsay ever solved anything. That includes my hearsay as well as yours.

    Let me qualify my hearsay: ha, ha
    I have been involved with the Villabrille-Largusa Kali system for twenty
    two years now and I am a Kali Association of America Board
    Certified instructor who has been awarded his teaching certification
    directly from Grandmaster Ben Largusa. I also met and spoke with
    the late Grandmaster Floro Villabrille on two separate occasions during
    the early and mid 1980's. I have also served two years on the Executive
    Board for the Kali Association of America, the governing body for the
    Villabrille-Largusa Kali system. This Association was founded in 1973 by the
    late Founder-Grandmaster Floro Villabrille and his top student and chosen
    successor Grandmaster Ben Largusa.

    My Executive Board position was KAA Secretary, was responsible for taking
    notes of all KAA meetings, writing and mailing letters from
    Grandmaster Largusa and Tuhon Lopez, as well as helping the other
    KAA Executive Board members document, archive and preserve the
    legacy of the late Grandmaster Floro Villabrille.

    There does seem to be alot of things being said about the late
    Mr. Villabrille that are nothing more than inflammatory statements
    based in hearsay. Let me attempt to shed some light on a few documented
    facts.

    Although I know that this information will fall upon deaf ears and closed
    minds I feel obligated to make an attempt out of respect for someone who is
    dead and cannot speak for themselves. It is a shame that people feel the
    need to attack and disrepect those who have passed on...

    First a brief list of some of the late Grandmaster Floro Villabrille's
    achievements and contributions: (Note: In my opinion, I think that a
    person's contributions are more important to the masses than a person's
    claims or persoanl achievements).

    I know that the first two will create a real stir in some of you.

    1)He was "an" undefeated champion in Kali/Eskrima/martial arts competitions
    and death matches in the Philippines, Hawaii, and
    Australia. Most of his fighting did however take place in Hawaii.
    (Note: I did not state "the").

    2) Grandmaster Villabrille was awarded a certificate and diploma signed by
    General Frank Murphy, then Governor-General of the Philippines. The
    certificate states that he won the National Grand Sports Competition Martial
    Arts Division , held at Alonan Park in Manila on July 4, 1933. Thus giving
    Floro Villabrille the title Grandmaster of Eskrima/Kali and proclaims him to
    be the Champion of the Philippines. Note: that I have a copy of this
    certificate in front of me as I type this. This is documented proof of this
    Champion of the Philippines claim.

    3)The Kauai Times newspaper wrote an article on him on October 30, 1979
    entitled, Floro Villabrille: "Know How to Love and Respect" (something I
    think many of us have forgotten). The article starts off by stating, "Floro
    Villabrille is one of the greatest martial artists in the world...." The
    article goes on to highlight not only his martial art accomplishments but
    also some of the many wonderful things he did for his community, the young,
    the old, the poor, and even lobbying in the 1950's to aid Filipino
    immigration to Hawaii.

    4)In the Cebu Municipal Museum there is a copy of Mr. Villabrille's
    Championship certificate and a picture of Grandmaster Floro Villabrille.
    (Note: I have seen photographs of this in the Kali Association of America
    archives from the late 1960's and early 1970's. I do not know
    if this still hangs in the Cebu Municipal Museum today).

    5)Villabrille learned Kali from many sources traveling great distances and
    fighting the top martial artists of his time. He combined the knowledge he
    came across, with his own experience and developed his own unique system of
    combat, which he called Villabrille Kali. (Note: I am
    sure of the fact that Mr. Villabrille's Kali is a composite hybrid method
    that has its origins in Kali, Eskrima, Arnis, Silat, and Kuntao).

    6) Floro Villabrille co-founded along with his top student, prot&#233;g&#233;, and
    chosen successor Ben T. Largusa, the Kali Association of America, on January
    27, 1973. The Associations purpose is to maintain and develop upon the Kali
    methods, techniques, and theories deriving from Grandmaster Floro
    Villabrille.

    The Association also preserves the traditions, legacies, philosophies, and
    teachings of Kali as well as serve as the international governing body,
    authority, and certifying review board for all instructors in the
    Villabrille-Largusa Kali System.

    As I have already mentioned: Mr Villabrille fought in the Philippines,
    Hawaii, and in Australia. Most of his public fighting did however take place
    in Hawaii. (Note: I have included a brief history on some a few of his
    matches in Hawaii).

    Some of Grandmaster Floro Villabrille's public full contact matches
    were held in Hawaii during his fighting career between the years of
    1933 and 1947. Most of his matches in Hawaii were open to the public
    similar to boxing matches. These were organized and funded events
    with paying spectators.

    Grandmaster Villabrille was active in training full contact Kali
    and Eskrima fighters for the Honolulu Civic Auditorium in the
    1930's and 1940's.

    Grandmaster Villabrille's first public full contact match in Hawaii was
    in 1935 and was held at the old Honolulu Civic Auditorium. He fought
    against a man named Veloriano Seqovia.

    Villabrille's second public fight in Hawaii was in 1938 and was held on the
    Island of Kauai in the Manila Hall. He fought against a man named:
    Andrike Kihano.

    Grandmaster Villabrille fought many additional full contact matches
    in the old Honolulu Civic Auditorium. The most famous of his Hawaii
    full contact public matches was a grudge match held in May of 1946 against a
    man named: Francisco Ardona.

    Grandmaster Villabrille retired from the ring undefeated in 1947.

    In conclusion, I guess the stories,legends, and claims of all martial
    artists are kind of fun to hear. I listen to them and then go on with my
    life. These stories, legends, and claims whether fact or fiction do not have
    any affect on my study, or practice of martial arts. The fact or fiction of
    them does not contribute to my personal growth in the martial arts or even
    as person in general. In my humble opinion, they are just kind of fun and
    they add to the colorful history and legend of the martial arts. Try to
    lighten up a bit and enjoy your life because we will probably never be able
    to come into agreement over heresay or folk legends.

    I just do understand why so many people waste so much time and energy
    arguing about things that cannot possibly make any difference.

    In short who cares or why care? No body will ever be able to convince
    the other of their version of the truth... The TRUTH is as we each see it
    and live it. Very unique and personal.

    People have been fighting about who is right or wrong according to their own
    standards or point of view for thousands of years... All that this has ever
    proven is how childish we can all be over points that only matter to us. In
    fact, how many people in history have been hurt and or killed over such
    bickering??? Too many I assure you.

    Maybe if we spend more time studying and practicing we could improve
    our own understanding and expression instead of bickering over things
    that none of us truly knows for sure. After all, none of us were actually
    there... Think about it, we are fighting over hearsay.

    Peace be with you,
    Guro Harrell

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    Robert-I checked your myspace/islandwarrior and a teenager of the name Tory from WA came up. I don't think that is you but I have never met you and your in Hawaii. So, I visited myspace/pakamut (Master Felix) and found your assuming correct my space account www.myspace.com/islandwarriordotcom . Again, I'm assuming this might be the correct one because I see Marc Denny in the photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junior eskrimador View Post
    Robert-I checked your myspace/islandwarrior and a teenager of the name Tory from WA came up. I don't think that is you but I have never met you and your in Hawaii. So, I visited myspace/pakamut (Master Felix) and found your assuming correct my space account www.myspace.com/islandwarriordotcom . Again, I'm assuming this might be the correct one because I see Marc Denny in the photo.
    Yep that is the correct profile, geeez how could I mess up my own myspace profile... duh!

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