Instructional Videos about Largo - distance - Fighting?

[Twist]

I'm looking for instructional videos about fighting long distance.
- I've seen very few that focus on largo fighting. Do you know any good ?

[kabaroan]

Sorry no leads on instructional videos but I do have a question. When you say "Largo - distance - fighting" are you referring to bow & arrow, sling shot, bankaw / sibat or ???

Just wondering. :)

Regards,

[Twist]

*G*
I was referring to Largo Mano .. ahmm.. the distance where you can hit the hand of the opponent with your weapon (Stick/Bolo/..) but not the body nor use the free hand to block/control/..

[lhommedieu]

I'm looking for instructional videos about fighting long distance.
- I've seen very few that focus on largo fighting. Do you know any good ?

Check out the Pananandata series by Mat Marinas. Although I haven't seen them, Tony Somera's series featuring Leo Giron might be worth a look at. See also John Jacobo's "Dos Armas" DVD.

Best,

Steve Lamade

[Twist]

I got John Jacobos DVDs - great stuff!

I've yet to get the Marinas-tapes .. hard to get though.

[lhommedieu]

I got John Jacobos DVDs - great stuff!

I've yet to get the Marinas-tapes .. hard to get though.

http://espytv.com/pananandata.htm

Best,

Steve

[WT_ATL]

I'd recommend reaching out to either Roger Agbulos or John Jacobo, both are extremely technical in their approach to combat and are well versed at Largo Mano. They are members of this forum so it shouldn't be too difficult to get a hold of them. I recommend sending a private message. You should get a response pretty quick.

--Winston.

[arnisador]

Roger Agbulos did a great seminar on this at the WMAA Camp (http://www.wmarnis.com/2006nycamp/).

[lhommedieu]

Roger Agbulos did a great seminar on this at the WMAA Camp (http://www.wmarnis.com/2006nycamp/).

Any chance of the camp material ending up on a DVD?

Best,

Steve Lamade

[Roger Agbulos]

Yeah, when is the DVD coming out? ;)

Twist wrote: the distance where you can hit the hand of the opponent with your weapon (Stick/Bolo/..) but not the body nor use the free hand to block/control/..
Nice one there Twist. However, IMO, it is good to look at LARGO MANO more as an entry technique and not a solitary one. Apply “layering” or combination strikes after the initial strike, but make sure you have good footwork to be able evade the counters as well as change tempo at will.

My emphasis in Largo Mano is on the striking characteristics more than just “hitting the opponent’s hand.” You must hit any target with the tip of your weapon where power is strongest without telegraphing your intention. I don’t really use hip movement to generate power. The power is in the integrated movement of the wrist–elbow-footwork in the flow.

I might throw a clip one of these days to show you guys what I mean… that is, if there are anybody interested (still waiting for a PM from someone, poor me http://fmatalk.com/images/icons/icon9.gif ).

Winston, thank you my kapatid for the kind words. You are the best!

Jeff & Tim, thank you for taking me to the camp. There were no egos, just a lot of cool people who wants to train hard but have fun at the same time – my ideal group.

Roger

P.S. Largo Mano is also Steve's game, I heard this guy is good! Regards.

[KrissOfSweden]

*G*
I was referring to Largo Mano .. ahmm.. the distance where you can hit the hand of the opponent with your weapon (Stick/Bolo/..) but not the body nor use the free hand to block/control/..

Mike Inay has realesed a video on largo mano...

Quick description:
Inayan Larga Mano is a devastating long range style which is based on the fighting principles of the Kampilan, the mysterious long sword of the Pihilippines. Distance, control, locks, counters, drills and applications are demonstrated in this video.

http://www.inayaneskrima.com/view_item.php?itemid=29

[lhommedieu]

Another DVD set to consider is "Fighting With Sabre and Cutlass" by Lynn Thompson and Anthony DeLongis (Cold Steel). Although this DVD describes a Western martial art and includes other distances besides Largo Mano (for sabre and cutlass) there are many similarities with the Largo Mano FMA's and the discussion of Largo range and distancing/footwork is very valuable from the standpoint of seeing Largo Mano concepts that you could apply to your own study of FMA's. You can find this DVD set now from re-sellers at a substantial discount from the price offered by Cold Steel.

Along this line, you might want to see if Ray Floro has/is going to put anything out (possibly seminar footage), since his take on FMA has a decided fencing influence.

See also Dan Anderson's Espada y Daga book (with accompanying short DVD) which, although not strictly speaking a book about Largo Mano espada y daga, has good, solid information about intercepting the hand/wrist/forearm with the bolo, maintaining distance, angling, timing, etc. Rodger Agbulos and I both wrote forwards for Dan's book.

Best,

Steve Lamade

[arnisador]

Thanks to both for the advice!


locks

Locks at largo?

[KrissOfSweden]

Thanks to both for the advice!



Locks at largo?

dude, don't ask me.. :P i really don't know what it is, i haven't personally seen the video, but mike inay suppose to be a outstanding martial artist so i think it is priceworthy.... i have thought met masirib guro emanuel hart (correct spelling?), this man is insanely good... i am so impressed every time i train with this guy... :D so i just can imagend how good mike inay was... :D

[lhommedieu]

I just ordered the Inayan Largo Mano tape - so I'll let you know after I finish viewing it what "locks at Largo" means in Inayan Eskrima.

In San Miguel Eskrima there are several disarms that take place after moving from Largo to Medio range; these are typically initiated at a longer range than most other FMA disarms, and are angled off to the left side and away from the opponent's daga. They also involve footwork and angling that takes you off and away from the opponent's daga during the disarm as well. There are also tie-ups that involve redirecting the opponent's daga thrust and pinning his daga wrist/arm against his own stick/arm, etc.

Best,

Steve Lamade

[lhommedieu]

Just a follow up: I spoke to Steve Klement over at www.inayan.com/forums (http://www.inayan.com/forums) and he offered the following information:


Well the only true disarming Inayan does at Largo range is by way of truncation or dismemberment. As you suspected Mr. Lamade, any locks or disarming other than that in Inayan Largo Mano is done by reaching a closer range (Medio or Corto). Additionally, these techniques are done with a raking motion with the sword tip or with the butt of the weapon. This is what the "locks" refer to. Again, this would be after a crash or by positioning oneself via footwork either because of strategic maneuvering or by your opponents mistakes in misunderstand distance (something a Largo man is a perfectionist at) etc. etc...

Anyway, I hope that answers the question for the use of the word lock.

In addition:


Also, I think you will like the tape. It was Suro Mike Inay's last and he never even got to see the finished product. It is probably the shortest of all the Inayan tapes but there is decent ground level Inayan Largo Mano info in it - right from the source. Also, it is pretty cool because most of it was filmed in the Blackwood Forest of Germany.

Best,

Steve Lamade

[arnisador]

Ah, that helps! I look forward to seeing the review nonetheless. I took two seminars with Mr. Inay, but neither were on stick or sword.

[lhommedieu]

Here's a clip of Yuli Romo demonstrating the use of the kampilan:

Kamplian clip (http://sharkle.com/video/92387/)

It's interesting to note that although Yuli Romo was a student of Tatang Illustrisimo, my understanding is that the Romo family has its roots in southern Cebu, wherein they were considered to have produced some notable eskrimadors. On my webite I state that "The island of Cebu is famous for developing some of the finest martial artists in the Philippines. Chief among these were members of the Illustrisimo family in Northern Cebu, the Saavedra family in Central Cebu, and the Romo family in Southern Cebu. These families were friendly with each other and it is likely that they trained together from time to time (although a lack of written records makes this difficult to determine)."

It would be interesting to learn if Yuli Romo became a student of Tatang Illustrisimo simply because in our modern age there is better communication and opportunities for travel (so that like many people in the Philippines he heard about Tatang and sought him out), or whether there is some kind of family and historical connection that led him to study with Tatang?

Best,

Steve Lamade

[arnisador]

Another DVD set to consider is "Fighting With Sabre and Cutlass" by Lynn Thompson and Anthony DeLongis (Cold Steel).

I took this advice and went ahead and ordered this set. (The Inayan largo tape was VHS only. I don't even have a tape player any more.) I'll post a review after I watch it!

[Inayan Boaz]

Arnisador,

I'm not sure where you ordered the Inayan videos from, but the Inayan Largo video is available on DVD through www.inayaneskrima.com (http://www.inayaneskrima.com). I bought it there a couple years ago, and was very pleased with the price, service and product. I just checked, and it is still available on DVD and not just VHS

Respects.

[arnisador]

I'm not sure where you ordered the Inayan videos from, but the Inayan Largo video is available on DVD through www.inayaneskrima.com (http://www.inayaneskrima.com).
Ah, where I looked I only saw VHS and I assumed the format hadn't been updated since the passing of Mr. Inay. I'll take another look. Thanks!

[Inayan Boaz]

No problem at all! I hope you enjoy the videos. They are a great resource.

[arnisador]

OK, I placed an order! I'll be well-set for largo mano resources. :D

[lhommedieu]

I had a chance to look at the Inayan Largo Mano tape today. It was very interesting and enjoyable. Interesting because the stick used is 40" long and between 1 1/4 inch to 1 1/2 inch in diameter. This makes it a heavy stick which you can see when Suro Mike Inay and his training partners start moving it along. All of us know what a stick sounds like when it moves though the air: this one make a particularly heavy WHOOOSH! Now, I practice ananangkil with a 1 1/2 inch diameter, 50" rattan stick and that is pretty heavy; while I can move it with one hand it's just not practical to for me to do so - I use both hands, baseball bat fashion. A 1 1/2 inch 40" inch stick would be pretty heavy, and it looks as though the ones that they are using primarily with one hand (sometimes the second hand is used to stop the momentum at the end of a swing but this is presented as a single hand system) are about 1 1/4 inch in diameter. The stick is meant to emulate a Filipino kampilan and the demonstrations with actual sword make it pretty obvious that this heavy weapon is going to cut through anything that it contacts. One particularly interesting segment had the defender literally "disarm" the attacker with a circular stroke, and then return with three more redondos on the same angle to cut the torso, knee, and head. There is also a bit of history that I found interesting: orginally the style from which Inayan Largo Mano was developed had only vertical and horizonal cuts and a single thrust, but later diagonal cuts and a variation on the thrust were added. Adding these secondary angles allows the user to use variations of twirls and redondos, as well as Figure 8 patterns, that probalby did not exist in the orignal version. It is interesting to note that there is a version of Tapado (not related to Inayan Eskrima) that only uses two strikes (down and up along a diagonal axis) and it is tempting to surmise that it mirrors the use of the kind of orginal Kampilan technique described in the video.

The tapes was also enjoyable insofar as many of the angles and striking patterns that I am used to when practicing San Miguel Eskrima occur in the tape. These seem particularly practical for largo styles. There is a great deal of use of the repeated strikes (there are three variations of redondo type movements) that we would call "Arko" and the follow-ups to initial strikes and counters are frequently Figure 8 patterns designed to attack other parts of the opponent's body once the sword arm has been incapacitated. This again is in keeping with what I have learned from my art. The traiing drills that typically involve "give and take" strikes and counterstrikes are well though out and will lead to good free-style if they are practiced in the correct fashion. I particularly liked the drills that used the pads and plan to implement them into my own training.

Inayan Largo Mano presents an introduction to a fundamental art wherein there is much more present than meets the eye. One's timing has to be exemplary to be able to pull off the counters, distancing is key to the angling necessary to evade what are in reality are very heavy strikes, and the footwork and body mechanics have to be spot-on to move such a heavy weapon around with control and accuracy. One key to really appreciating the art is to envision everything done with a heavy Kampilan. I would recommend the tape to anyone interested in Largo Mano technique.

Best,

Steve Lamade

[fernast]

Hello,

You may also check the followings videos:

- Stun, stagger and stop by Coldsteel owner lynn Thompson

There is a largo mano portion lead by Ron balicki. The overall DVD are designed around the use of 40 inches stick or cane.
Lynn Thompson has done a great job.

- Lameco single stick volume one and two:
On these 2 tapes, Edgar Sulite is mainly working at largo range.

- Bob Breen single stick volume 1 (new serie) concentrating on the largo mano game.

Hope it helps

Regards
Fernast

[lhommedieu]

Hello,

You may also check the followings videos:

- Stun, stagger and stop by Coldsteel owner lynn Thompson

There is a largo mano portion lead by Ron balicki. The overall DVD are designed around the use of 40 inches stick or cane.

Lynn Thompson has done a great job.

A propos this conversation, see my post in the "Advertising" forum.

Best,

Steve Lamade

[Roger Agbulos]

Hey all!
Some of you may have seen this already (angles of attack thread), but for those who haven't yet, this clip will give you an idea of "largo mano concepts" in action. Bear in mind that this is only a drill, keeping the range consistent to avoid hits.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7478401108309964557&pr=goog-sl

Roger

[lhommedieu]

Nice demonstration of techniques. You guys got a mention on FMAforum.com as well...

Roger - I sent you an email re. the clip; hope you got it.

Best,

Steve Lamade

[Brian R. VanCise]

Nice clip.

Brian R. VanCise
www.instinctiveresponsetraining.com (http://www.instinctiveresponsetraining.com)

[lhommedieu]

I sent Roger an email describing what I saw in the clip and thought I would share it here: His fighters show some nice attributes - especially attention to range. I also like the willingness to apply tight combinations to the hand. Something in particular caught my eye that that I couldn't quite place until the next day when I made the connection between Edgar Sulite and Tatang Illustrisimo - and I realized that what I was seeing had the quality of Illustrisimo Kali's “panipis.” Let me explain: Rather than pushing the opponent’s forehand strike with his free hand into the arc of his downward vertical strike counter (i.e. "panipis"), Roger references the opponent’s weapon to his own center-line through the use of the umbrella - and then times his vertical counter to fall a split-second afterwards. The advantage to this technique is that while Roger’s hand is moving away from his opponent’s strike while the opponent’s strike is moving forward on a predictable line (which is a nice thing to do if you're practicing hand sparring). The contact of the umbrella against the opponent’s forehand strike is thus a cue to switch to a vertical cut that travels down the same line as the strike. Of course, this will only work if the distancing and angling is such that the opponent's first strike won’t hit his head or body even though it misses his hand!


The last fighter (the one in black top and black shorts) does significantly better since he’s willing to add more angles and combinations into the mix – especially the upward forehand diagonal cut that has the advantage of having his hand move back towards his body and thus avoid the kind of counter described above that would happen if his hand was traveling forward towards the center-line.


Best,


Steve Lamade