cinco teros

[lonecoyote]

I've heard some say that cinco teros means the first five common strikes of most systems. I'm not sure about that. How about this pattern-1.Rhand forehand to left collarbone of opponent 2.rhand backhand curving upwards toward R knee of opponent, 3,rhand curving up towards L knee, 4.backhand downward strike to R collarbone 5. thrust. I learned it at a seminar but think its from another system. Is this the cinco teros, meaning not the first common 5 strikes but the actual system called cinco teros?

[monkey]

It means the 5 cardnel blows or deadly strikes.How you hit the temple left-temple right- jugler left-jugler right-adamas apple.Is how you use it in a fight.We cant set a set patern as it wont work in a multi dimention fight .

[arnisador]

That sounds a bit like a Doce Pares numbering system I learned...er, or a numbering system I learned from a Doce Pares instructor (who may have known other systems). But, I have always that cinco teros referred to the basic forehand diagonal, forehand horizontal, backhand diagonal, backhand horizontal, thrust (in any sequence).

[JohnJ]

cinco teros refers to 5 basic strikes. and they can differ from system to system. this is why practiioners should not dwell on them as they are mere reference points only.

[monkey]

I agree but for some the 5 strikes are not so basic.Arsenio Advicula teaches it as the 5 cardinel or deadly blows.Inosanto has it as temple-temple-rib-rib-solar plex.To translate in Inosantos quote foword hand-back hand-forword hand -back hand-thrust.Or he did ia a diaginal figure 8-horizontal figure 8 & thrust.Theres 2 ways to see the same thing.

[arnisador]

In JKD-Kali the order I've usually seen is forehand diagonal (high), backhand horizontal (middle), forehand horizontal (middle), backhand diagonal (high), thrust (middle). In Modern Arnis terms, it's 1-4-3-2-5, with the 2 sometimes tilting towards a 7 (backhand thrust high). At other times the 7 comes later in an 8-count numbering. I think Roger Agbulos used the same order for the first four strikes this past weekend at the WMAA camp. (I'm sure he'll correct me if I am misremembering!) But though there is a cinco teros system, I have always thought the basic five strikes were just the basic five strikes--cardinal in the sense of primary or fundamental but not any more deadly than any other strike.


Arsenio Advicula teaches it as the 5 cardinel or deadly blows.

Is he the one who also does Isshin-ryu Karate?

[monkey]

Yes he dose Ishin ryu & i guess ha dose Arnis.He had a 3 tape with panther & i have his seminars on video of Ishin & arnis.Odd how he dose it.1 strike is the pin wheel & with the stick/knife like the 5 thrust-Insted of the thrust he holds it int the spot as such & spins entire body 180.No the stick/blade dont move -the spinn is supose to do it.Odd I think.

[JohnJ]

but for some the 5 strikes are not so basic.

When I refer to "basics", it refers to the general lines of attack or targets taught in the early stages of learning or reference points. While the order or targets may differ in each system, I have rarely seen the difficulty level change dramatically.


Arsenio Advicula teaches it as the 5 cardinel or deadly blows.

My goodness, a name I have not seen or heard about in more than a decade. I have the same videos you are speaking of but have not gone back to them since I bought them many years ago. What were the 5 deadly blows, I do not recall them?


Inosanto has it as temple-temple-rib-rib-solar plex.To translate in Inosantos quote foword hand-back hand-forword hand -back hand-thrust.Or he did ia a diaginal figure 8-horizontal figure 8 & thrust.Theres 2 ways to see the same thing.

I guess it depends on how you interpret the teaching of Cinco Teros as there is nothing diffcult about what you described.


Odd I think.

To begin with, his methods are not the best example of sword / blade work. It is not meant to criticize his skills but like many, he may have simply tried to transfer stick methods to sword which contrary to what many think, works well. Maybe machete but sword is different handling.

[tim_stl]

But though there is a cinco teros system, I have always thought the basic five strikes were just the basic five strikes

there are many cinco teros systems. to some people, cinco teros refers to 5 basic strikes, which are generally the first 5 angles. to others, cinco teros refers to a classification of styles that only group attacks into 5 angles.



tim

[JohnJ]

It is not meant to criticize his skills but like many, he may have simply tried to transfer stick methods to sword which contrary to what many think, works well.

I meant DOES NOT work well.

[monkey]

I beleave tape 1 of Arsenio Has the 5 cardinal strikes as he calls it.All so if you go to martial talk.com you can see me demo on 3 differant bits that were posted.I demo Jeet Kune do & Kuntao Arnis. You have to go to the last 24 hour post I find it on page 3 I beleave it is now.Tom Carnes. It shows some of my ranks and more.Enjoy.

[arnisador]

to others, cinco teros refers to a classification of styles that only group attacks into 5 angles.

Ah, that makes sense too. I know that there are systems that use both more and fewer angles than we do in Modern Arnis.