Sikaran Web Sites?

[arnisador]

There is so little Sikaran information available. Can anyone recommend useful web resources for it?

[Sheldon Bedell]

only those few mentioned in the sikaran fora
there is little information out there even if many systems use some of the techniques in their systems

[arnisador]

I was afraid of that. What a pity! I'd like to know more. I expect to be at the Meet & Greet in August, so hopefully you'll be there and will let me pester you with stupid questions (as your son kindly did when he was in Buffalo).

[Francisco Talle, Jr.]

As I know that master meliton is the only founder of sikaran but later when I scan thru internet I read some column about sikaran and I found out that theres sombody who is also a founder of sikaran.

Would you please help me know which of this person is the original founder of sikaran?

Thank you and more power!

ninoy

[arnisador]

As I know that master meliton is the only founder of sikaran but later when I scan thru internet I read some column about sikaran and I found out that theres sombody who is also a founder of sikaran.

Would you please help me know which of this person is the original founder of sikaran?

I'm not sure anyone can do that, but commonly heard names in Sikaran include Geronimo and Lagarejos. See these threads:
http://www.fmatalk.com/showthread.php?t=125
http://www.fmatalk.com/showthread.php?t=47
http://www.fmatalk.com/showthread.php?t=136

See also post #2 in this thread (http://www.fmatalk.com/showthread.php?t=392).

[Sheldon Bedell]

Sikaran has been around a long time and it is only with in the last 60 years that the masters mentioned made it into a whole system and gave the name SIKARAN to a system regonised around the wold as a fighting system not just another segment of different systems
I doubt there is any written word on who started the practice or when it was started in the islands. Those records ( I am afraid) would have to go a long, long ways back.

[nero]

As I know that master meliton is the only founder of sikaran but later when I scan thru internet I read some column about sikaran and I found out that theres sombody who is also a founder of sikaran.

Would you please help me know which of this person is the original founder of sikaran?

Thank you and more power!

ninoy

Websites can be easily made, with it people can just post false information and will try to make you believe on their story. So don't put your whole trust over the internet especially to those regular websites.

There's only one way to find out the truth, go to Sikaran's Headquarter back in the Philippines where everything all started. =)

[arnisador]

Where is this HQ?

[nero]

Where is this HQ?

I dont want to say this but.. please dont ask stupid question.

Ofcourse its in the Philippines. I dont want to say the right location since I havent been there. I dont want to post unsure information in here.

[The Game]

I don't want to say this but.. please don't be a jerk.

If there is somehow a world headquarters for Sikaran, the idea that it "might" be in the PI is sound, but not necessarily correct. The headquarters for Modern Arnis for example has been in the United States for decades, as that is where the founder was. The fact that there were other organizations doesn't matter.

So, post proof or stop speculating.

[nero]

I don't want to say this but.. please don't be a jerk.

If there is somehow a world headquarters for Sikaran, the idea that it "might" be in the PI is sound, but not necessarily correct. The headquarters for Modern Arnis for example has been in the United States for decades, as that is where the founder was. The fact that there were other organizations doesn't matter.

So, post proof or stop speculating.

I don't want to say this but.. please dont make a fool out of yourself.

Im posting about Sikaran, not "Modern Arnis". If your saying that Im not correct, then where is Sikaran's Headquarters? (backfired ay?)

So, don't even try to speculate.

[The Game]

I will leave the "making of fool" to others much more qualified than I, and much more willing to display such.

I am aware this is the Sikaran area, and that the question was about Sikaran. I used Modern Arnis (another FMA art, in case you were not aware) as an example. An example is of course defined as " A similar case that constitutes a model or precedent". Therefore it applies.

As to where the Sikaran headquarters may be, I don't know.
Which Sikaran group are you refering to? I know of several and their offshoots/spinoffs.

[nero]

The Main Sikaran Headquarters, not groups.

Should have read where the conversation started so you'll know what I was referring to.

[The Game]

I did.
So, who is in charge of the "Main" Sikaran HQ?

A google search on "sikaran world headquarters" turns up nothing.

I show Bong Jornelas as a Sikaran Grandmaster. That would place the WHQ in.....Michigan.

Then there is Jethrogil Balicao who has Sikaran-Jitsu Arnis de Abanico, with the HQ in Mandaue City/ Philippines.

Then there is the "World Sikaran Arnis Brotherhood Of the Philippines"
HQ is reportedly at No. 20 Katipunan St., Barangay San Jose, Baras

Oh and there is Lagarejos' Sikaran International: HQ in San Mateo, CA.

Dozens more. So. Which. Sikaran. Are. You. Looking. For?

[nero]

I did.
So, who is in charge of the "Main" Sikaran HQ?

A google search on "sikaran world headquarters" turns up nothing.

I show Bong Jornelas as a Sikaran Grandmaster. That would place the WHQ in.....Michigan.

Then there is Jethrogil Balicao who has Sikaran-Jitsu Arnis de Abanico, with the HQ in Mandaue City/ Philippines.

Then there is the "World Sikaran Arnis Brotherhood Of the Philippines"
HQ is reportedly at No. 20 Katipunan St., Barangay San Jose, Baras

Oh and there is Lagarejos' Sikaran International: HQ in San Mateo, CA.

Dozens more. So. Which. Sikaran. Are. You. Looking. For?

GM Col. Meliton C. Geronimo is encharge.

Do you know what Sikaran is? Have you been in the Philippines? Are you involved with Sikaran? Seems like you dont have any idea.

[The Game]

He is?
Do these other guys know?

Hmm...Do I know what Sikaran is?
Yes - http://www.martialtalk.net/wiki/index.php/Sikaran

Have I been to the PI?
Nope. That has nothing to do with if I'm qualified to talk about it.

Am I involved with it?
That depends. Define "Involved"

Maybe my view is wider and more open minded than yours.

[Carol]

If someone could indulge me for a moment because I admittedly don't know anything about Sikaran...but was just exposed to this fabulous art over the weekend.

I always thought "headquarters" was something associated with an association or organization, not so much an art...which is always greater than the associations within it.

What is the name of the group that is headquartered in the PI and do they have contact information?

Thanks very much!

Carol

[nero]

He is?
Do these other guys know?

Hmm...Do I know what Sikaran is?
Yes - http://www.martialtalk.net/wiki/index.php/Sikaran

Have I been to the PI?
Nope. That has nothing to do with if I'm qualified to talk about it.

Am I involved with it?
That depends. Define "Involved"

Maybe my view is wider and more open minded than yours.

Good job, yes you are. (hand clapping) Goodluck

[Bob Hubbard]

I'm confused too, in that I've seen 3 different versions of Sikaran, all that traced back to different individuals/families in the PI. Other than the Wiki and Martialpedia entries, I've found little on the art, its variations or it's players online.

[nero]

Its hard to find facts about Sikaran over the internet. Sikaran is a filipino martial arts and you can find true facts by going to the source which is in the Philippines. People might disagree about that idea but, can you really trust information over the internet now a days? Nothing personal but I know some people who pose themselves as Sikaran GrandMaster but in reality they are not. Sikaran is based on the Philippines. Filipino from foreign country's cant claim master over it if they are not even recognized in the source itself.

[The Game]

Sounds like you're saying only a Filipino in the PI can be legit. Bit of a bigoted attitude. Tells me a great deal about you.

Now, where is that ignore feature again?

[nero]

Sounds like you're saying only a Filipino in the PI can be legit. Bit of a bigoted attitude. Tells me a great deal about you.

Now, where is that ignore feature again?

Seems like your the one with a bigoted attitude. I know some facts that you dont know about but your too smart to accept it. Dont let your big head blind you from the point Im saying. Facts can be found from its roots/source Amen. Dont hate, appreciate you ******.

Good Game The Game,

[James Miller]

Nero-

do you know or have heard anything about this school:

www.sikaranacademy.com/default.asp (http://www.sikaranacademy.com/default.asp)

They about about an hour and a half from me and thought I might check it out.

[langgaw]

Mr Miller,
Try and talk to Master Lito. He runs the placeand can give you a rich history of the Sikaran a nd its realtion to the other sikaran schools.
Best

[nero]

Unfortunately not, I barely found out information about that school couple of days ago when I was googling "sikaran". You should check it out.

[James Miller]

Langgaw & Nero-

Thanks.

[Sheldon Bedell]

I have kept out of the thread on Sikaran for a while watching it evolve in a manner i expected. Of all the arts i know of Sikaran has been about the most blind in the way its followers believe in their individual instructors an grandmasters.
I will repeat this one more time. Master Geronimo and Master Lagarejos met a few times and each recognized the other as a legitimate GM. If those living in the islands or the mainland or anywhere in the world refuse to acknowledge that others in the world may teach or know an art then that is not my fault but the blindness of the person.
The fact that Sikaran has been around a long time and no one can truly find its origin, It was in many villages and known by many in different regions.
I receive so many emails each year telling me I know nothing or that i incorrectly know the history of Sikaran in the usa. or "why don’t i call such and such my GM" that I usually just trash most of them. I am getting older and have only been doing Sikaran a little over 35 years so forgive me if I think some of the people who post such nonsense are ignorant of all the facts and I suggest that they contact their respective GM's and ask that GM about the other systems of Sikaran.
I have known that their was more than one system of Sikaran since the first day I studied Sikaran because my system had no reason to hide the fact.

[The Game]

There are numerous systems of Sikaran. Some similar some not.

[arnisador]

There are numerous systems of Sikaran. Some similar some not.

Yes, it would be nice even to have a list of styles of Sikaran and their major characteristics. Once again, the history issue!

[wsabp]

Hello everybody and to all Sikaranista's and people who want to know the true origin and Grandmaster of our own Filipino Martial Arts. Sikaran's one and only real Grandmaster is Col. Meliton C. Geronimo from Baras, Rizal Philippines. I know a lot of people have been claiming to be the real Grandmaster of Sikaran but have a few information or non at all about where it originated and how it was developed. My friend Lito Jacla and I have made a website for our brotherhood World Sikaran-Arnis Brotherhood of the Philippines dedicated to promoting the real history of the martial arts with the address of the WSABP Headquarters for all who are looking for it. Please visit http://www.wsabp.com and see for yourself!

[wsabp]

Yes I know this school. This is my friend's school in Toronto. Lito Jacla is a bonafide member of the World Sikaran Arnis Brotherhood of the Philippines and have won lots of international tournaments hosted by our chapters from the Philippines, Canada, Australia and more.



Nero-

do you know or have heard anything about this school:

www.sikaranacademy.com/default.asp (http://www.sikaranacademy.com/default.asp)

They about about an hour and a half from me and thought I might check it out.

[wsabp]

The World Sikaran-Arnis Brotherhood of the Philippines is the main Sikaran Headquarter of all Sikaranista's all over the world. All legitimate members and chapters around the world registers their members and their school to the main headquarters in World Sikaran Arnis Brotherhood Of The Philippines General Headquarters: 39 2nd St.Cavaliers Village, Sumulong Hway, Antipolo city SEC. REG. NO: 28343 and the one and only Grandmaster Col. Meliton C. Geronimo (Formerly aka Mayor Latigo) is the one in charge of the organization. It used to be located in Baras, Rizal. If you go to Winnipeg they have their own chapters headquarter which all Sikaran schools in Winnipeg register and they send the registration to the WSABP HQ in the Philippines. The World Sikaran-Arnis Brotherhood of the Philippines have chapters in other countries and like Sikaran Arnis Brotherhood of Australia Chief Instructor: Jesse Diestro Address: 43 North Parade Campsie NSW, Australia 2194 Mobile: 0434 031 424 , Sikaran Arnis Jiu-Jitsu Association of Canada (http://sikaranarnis.netfirms.com/) Professor Tom Sulit 206-4656 Westwind Dr. NE Calgary, Alberta [403] 837-KICK (5425) Riyadh Sikaran Arnis Martial Arts Organization & SIKARAN - RED FOX, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Chapter, Sulumgar Sikaran Arnis Instructor: Martin Lindgreen of New Zealand and more. Our Grandmaster and his students helped in promoting Sikaran in different parts of the world and that's how the World Sikaran-Arnis Brotherhood of the Philippines was created.


I did.
So, who is in charge of the "Main" Sikaran HQ?

A google search on "sikaran world headquarters" turns up nothing.

I show Bong Jornelas as a Sikaran Grandmaster. That would place the WHQ in.....Michigan.

Then there is Jethrogil Balicao who has Sikaran-Jitsu Arnis de Abanico, with the HQ in Mandaue City/ Philippines.

Then there is the "World Sikaran Arnis Brotherhood Of the Philippines"
HQ is reportedly at No. 20 Katipunan St., Barangay San Jose, Baras

Oh and there is Lagarejos' Sikaran International: HQ in San Mateo, CA.

Dozens more. So. Which. Sikaran. Are. You. Looking. For?

[Carol]

Welcome to FMAtalk, Mr. Amores! :bow:

[arnisador]

Grandmaster Col. Meliton C. Geronimo (Formerly aka Mayor Latigo)

Of course I have heard of him! I have heard it two ways, though: That he founded the art, or that he codified the art from disparate Sikaran styles he had studied. In the latetr case, there could be other Sikaran styles that evolved separately. I don't know which happened.

[Far Walkers Moon]

I refuse to ge tinto the old argument of who started teaching what first it has been documented already but I am happy to say
Welcome to the forum and I look forward to reading may posts and perhaps seeing some old photos

[still lurking]

why are their punches and stances look like karate based on the link below under Adult form in the pictures section?

More power to Mayor Latigo.

http://www.wsabp.com/

[wsabp]

The pictures on the website that I posted was an open tournament in Winnipeg, Canada on April 7, 2001. It was hosted by the Sikaran-Arnis Juijitsu of Canada. Other martial artist like Karate, Tae Kwon Do and Kung-fu practitioners also participated in the Golden Boy Tournament.

P.S. I have recently changed the website address to http://www.sikaranbrotherhood.com
I will also add a link of an article about Sikaran by Emmanuel Querubin from April 1966 issue of Black belt magazine


why are their punches and stances look like karate based on the link below under Adult form in the pictures section?

More power to Mayor Latigo.

http://www.wsabp.com/

[Sheldon Bedell]

without getting into a pissing match I object highly to the statement
All legitimate members and chapters around the world registers their members and their school to the main headquarters in World Sikaran Arnis

the fact that Geronimo's people and organization refuse to acknowledge that anyone else in the world might know Sikaran and may have taught is is ridiculous

[wsabp]

The World Sikaran Brotherhood of the Philippines does recognize that Sikaran is already being taught around the world. In fact we even mentioned the countries and Organizations from the countries. The website is not yet fully updated with the names of the schools recognized by the World Sikaran Brotherhood of the Philippines as members of the Brotherhood. The only thing we don't acknowledge is the fact that other schools and masters have taken credit as the Grandmaster of the Filipino Martial Art and say that Sikaran is no longer alive in the Philippines. When the fact is it is very much alive all over the Philippines and with the World Sikaran Brotherhood of the Philippines (Kapatiran ng Sikaran ng Pilipinas) and the students who trained in the Philippines, Sikaran is very much alive not only in the Philippines, but all around the world.

Visit http://www.sikaranbrotherhood.com and read the history, articles and watch the videos provided on the link from YouTube.


without getting into a pissing match I object highly to the statement

the fact that Geronimo's people and organization refuse to acknowledge that anyone else in the world might know Sikaran and may have taught is is ridiculous

[Far Walkers Moon]

I in no way intend to speak for Mr. Bedell but I believe if you look at all he has ever written about Sikaran you will find that he has always recognized that their was more than one Sikaran organization in the world and has complemented Mr. Geronimo many times on keeping Sikaran alive in the Philippians. The fact that the organization he was taught Sikaran in recognized that Geronimo also had an organization speaks highly for them , the fact that Geronimo’s people and organization seem to refuse to this day to state that Mr. Lagarejos was a grandmaster in his own right and of his own system of Sikaran dose not speak well of Geronimo’s organization.

If Mr. Geronimo is still alive why not ask him about the meetings I have seen mentioned between himself and Mr. Lagarejos? Dose he deny that they ever happened? I believe it has been mentioned that at least one member of this forum was present and knows what went on so why is Mr. Geronimo so reluctant to put forth these facts.

I do not see or understand the necessity for the denial that someone other than Geronimo or someone outside the village of Baras Rizal may have known Sikaran techniques and taught them. It has always been my impression that Sikaran was a generic term for any use of the foot/feet in combat ( please correct me if I am wrong).

All of the school listed on the web page mentioned in your post belong to your organization and that I understand but I still do not understand why you think all people studying or knowing Sikaran must belong to that organization. Is this just nationalistic pride or just an attempt by the organization to forget that others in the Philippians also used their feet in combat and knew how to pass that knowledge on?


On a nicer note that is a good web site you have set up

[kuntawguro]

Sikaran was a subsystem incorporated into our Kuntawtraining in the Philippines. We were told that it was fighting system based off of sipa sipa and that it was found all over the Philippines. So, my knowledge is very limited to it as a complete system.

my 2 pesos

[Sheldon Bedell]

Farrin my old friend. Let it go.
We have discussed this matter late at night over a few drinks more than once and we have both taken both sides of the arguement to see how it looked from the other side and we both, I belive, have come to the conclusion that the 2 main systems/schools of Sikaran will never agree on much other than that Sikaran should be taught and preserved.
I would rather the disscussions on the system focus on the foot work, kicks, and application of use and targets than on who did what when. Fifty years from now all the main players in this saga will be long gone but hopefuly through their efforts the systems will still exsist and Sikaran will still be being taught.
When this forum was first set up I stated before becoming one of the first mods here that I feared this old argument would arise as it had for the last 40 years. Truthfuly rather than argueing over such things it would be better if represenitives from each system got togeather and learned from one another and helped each other just promote the art.
I have worked with those taught in the islands befor when I lived in Calif. and it was a pleasure to work with them as we grew to know each other mutual respect was formed. I so wish that some facts would be told in truth for all to know but if they never are so be it. The fact that Sikaran is alive and growing is what should realy count.
The Lagarejos people have always tried to keep what they did some what secreat and I was told many times to stay off the internet and not publisise the system ( for what reasons I still do not understand), while Geronimo's people seem to glory in putting forth his prasise . Who really cares in the long run as long as Sikaran lives on and is taught to the next generation.

[Bagwis]

hi to all:

Im one of the instructor here in Toronto and all of us 3 branches here in
TO, branches in Wennipeg, Alberta, Edmonton, Saskatoon (Canada) is reporting to main HQ in Manila.

should you like to know more about the Sikaran main HQ pls contact me litojacla@yahoo.ca

thanks and more power to all.

[Bagwis]

hi to all;

The World Sikaran-Arnis Brotherhood of the Philippines main HQ is located in the Philippines. All bonafied clubs, Chief Instructors, Regional Director is regularly reporting to Master Meliton C. Geronimo.

Should you like to know more about HQ you can email me at litojacla@yahoo.ca.

thanks and more power to all Sikaranistas..

[arnisador]

I see "Sikaran-Arnis" used sometimes (or "Arnis Sikaran"), and sometimes just "Sikaran". Is there a difference?

[AmaraWarrior]

My FMA teacher's Pilippine National Karate Coach and Mentor, Emmanuel S. Querubin is one of the first students of Grand Master Geronimo. Master Querubin is actually listed in their Black Belt records as 003, right under the son of Grand Master Geronimo. Master Querubin with the help of his teacher composed a book on Sikaran and also made a website. Go to: www.sikaranpilipinas.com (http://www.sikaranpilipinas.com)

[AmaraWarrior]

My FMA teacher's Pilippine National Karate Coach and Mentor, Emmanuel S. Querubin is one of the first students of Grand Master Geronimo. Master Querubin is actually listed in their Black Belt records as Member 003, right under the son of Grand Master Geronimo. Master Querubin with the help of his teacher composed a book on Sikaran and also made a website. Go to: www.sikaranpilipinas.com (http://www.sikaranpilipinas.com/)