Study: 3 vs. 1 in BC

[Crafty Dog]

Woof All:

DBMA has as its mission statement "Walk as a Warrior for all your days". Thus we seek to develop our skills in a way that allows us to operate in a 360 degree context and to function against uneven odds. Here we have a very nice study.

Please discuss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIjG4OJEHnI

I'd like to suggest commenting after watching only one time (e.g. like you might have to do as a witness) then comment after watching as much as you like. Obviously, you should make your initial comments before reading any posts in the thread!

AFTER you make your initial comments, you may wish to view this.
background info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIjG4OJEHnI

[The Phalanx]

Walk as a warrior? Well, I'll be limping like a warrior for a while after the beatdown I got from Dogzilla this past Saturday... Right in the nerve! LOL

[robertlk808]

Well ..... looking at it from my perspective I don't see a need to fight. It looks like there is plenty of space \ room to get out of the situation and call the police. Fortunately no weapons were involved, the guys were just being a-holes and their intent was to harass more than attack and do bodily harm. Bad choice in going to the ground, it didn't look like they were putting much behind the punches, IMHO he should have just gotten the hell out.

[robertlk808]

Guro Crafty are you referring to this link for the 2nd clip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB3JUGqc5k4

[Crafty Dog]

Actually that is a better interview of the man than the one I posted. Thanks.

[PG Michael B]

To funny...those crackers were funny as hell...flip flops are tactical however..lol.

Sooner or later those yokels will get their tickets punched..they will screw with the wrong person and get put down.

I see this is in Canada...down here in the lower 48 people carry guns, knives or what have ya...if it were me I would have drawn my weapon and gone to work...3 on 1 warrants deadly force, 3 on 1 will get you toe tagged quickly. This tet a tet ended safely for the victim, this time but who knows..it don't always end so nicely...see JASPER TEXAS incident..and many others.

I agree with the above poster...the victim should have ran like the wind...it looked like he had ample room and opportunity, but who knows what went through his mind...stress adrenaline pumping, fear etc..they all play a major part in a setting such as this.

People need to find good solid training to build their personal protection systems...it amazes me that people don't take more stock in their own safety always relying on that old adage of IT WILL NEVER APPEN TO ME....that mindset don't hold much water in today's world.....

[selfcritical]

The victim was right in front of his home, so he had fear that running inside or running away would endanger his family. Given that they attacked and brutalized someone else THAT NIGHT, he may well be right.

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

How about running into a place of business and asking them to call the police?

[robertlk808]

Not sure where it says it was in front of his house, it started in an alley by the McDonald's and then moved across the street in front of the apt complex.

If it was in front his house I'm still not sure it would be a wise decision. I say that only because of "what if" I happen to whoop their ass and "what if" they comeback or attack night while I am sleeping? I got two kids I gotta think about too. You whoop 'em, they know where you live, your family is endangered.

In that moment I think I would have run to a populated place with potential witnesses, away from my family.
I'm not commenting on what the guy did, he felt he did what he needed to do and fortunately he came out on top.
I just think I would have tried to handle it differently thats all.

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Revenge is a also a factor to consider. This is from Kelly Worden's blog..

http://wordenreality.blogspot.com/2006/07/statistics-ya-gotta-love-em-by-kelly-s.html


“negative effects of revenge”

Let’s touch on another verity, revenge! Even if you win the conflict will you be able to make a clean getaway? If you actually live in ‘da hood, revenge is an ever evolving door of accelerating aggression, one conflict can have uncalculated repercussions. Keeping this potential situation in prospective, one physical fight may create three conflicts in the aftermath. Rarely in revenge situations does the level of force or retaliation deescalate, it only gets more violent. I make these statements not from hearsay or rumors but from actual experience. Bottom line, some people protect their neighborhood like a virgin sister, especially in a culturally diverse community. Another issue worth considering is the fact that police officers don’t always respond as quickly to areas where crime and assault run rampant (‘da hood). In most circumstances there are an abundance of emergency calls during an evening and less officers to respond to them.

[citom]

Actually, it was 4 vs 1 if you count the dog.. :)

[tim_stl]

i won't speculate on whether he should have fought or run, but i will say that he used footwork well to position himself in the right place.



tim

[Crafty Dog]

For the moment I offer this to the mix:
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How long has fight been going on? What we see here is 2:10, but fight is already in progress. (interview sheds a bit of light) Once again we see importance of conditioning. Several minutes of adrenal pump against three guys out of the clear blue is not something any Joe Blow can do. Black Guy, a lefty (right lead) seems to have some experience with boxing lateral footwork. How many untrained people would produce this? Pretty good job of positioning so that only one White Guy can get to him at a time. Lack of will to close by WGs certainly helps. Is there anything he can do better?


0:51 Three abreast by WGs with stage right shut off presents B. with trouble for a moment. He must exert himself here. Good conditioning. Breaks left and is in empty parking space between two cars.

1:00 Shirt forces the range. Could B. have angled better here with Left Lead?

1:10 et seq. Would B. have been better continuing away from camera? Or is he trying to work his way home?

1:15 B. gets caught by left lead jab. Shirt loses shoe on kick.

1:17 How should B. have gotten up in this moment? As Wolf Pack closes, B. seems to think about a take down. Training? Instinctive?.

1:22 The dog (some sort of terrier?) which has been barking and randomly seen on camera throughout, gets within biting range. With his head on the other side of WG on ground, how aware is B. of dog? Good thing he doesn't actually bite!

1:30 Two cars enter scene. By accident or on purpose? Either way, this seems to tip WGs into leaving. Should B. have followed them at this point? As he approaches he catches a right hook at the car door AND he leaves his back to shirt (who has been putting his shoe back on.

1:36 Dog engages to little effect. Good thing he is too short to bite B's genitals.

1:40 B. declares that this is his turf? Shirt, shoe now on, starts to approach but his buds are ready to leave and call their dog into truck at 1:49

1:57 Fat woman approaches? Known? Unknown? If unknown, how should B handle her at this point?

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[The Phalanx]

With the WGs lack of closing in... If I was the Black guy, I would have picked one of the WGs and run him down with a quick strike... One good blow enough to have his buddies try to help him up and gives you enough time to run away...

One move I might would have considered is grabbing one of the WGs jaw and just crank it as fast as I can while turning my body and run away and his buddies will tend to him... It might kill or paralyze the WG but 3 vs 1 is a life-threatening situation...

[Brian R. VanCise]

Wow he is a fortunate man as dealing with more than one person is a real pain. While he was mobile and moving he did a good job of lining them up so that only one could attack at a time. That limited what they could do until he closed and then walla they surrounded him and took him down. He was fortunate.

[WuLord187]

After watching this video I don't know what it worse:
1. The person recording the video without commentary.
2. The high school level of trash talk from both sides.
3. The lack of fighting skill of each individual.
4. The man still wanted to fight after while his attackers fled.
5. The guy's tv interview, "I'm doing this for all of them, who can't defend themselves" wow! "Hyenas to the Lion", this man compared himself to a Lion but fought like a kitten.

Violent situations that originated from racism and hate are terrible, I can speak from experience growing up as a minority in southern WV and chin checking a few ignorant individuals. He should have fled to safety but once the n-bomb is dropped common sense and logic goes out the window and aggression + pride takes over.

At least he didn't end up like the guys at the end of this video reminds me of River City Ransom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTtdy6xFI5k