Doce Methodos 10 - Pekiti-Disarma

[Mono]

Hi everyone, this is the tenth out of 12 Threads for a detailed Discussion on the Doce Methodos of the Pekiti Tirsia Kali System I have started.

I hope these Threads will help beginners as well as long time Instructors in their understanding of the Techniques, Conceps and Principals of the Doce Methodos.

For a start I will - once again - just put some Information about the Method and some questions you can use as a guiding Idea for your own Post and Reply – to anyone who has other Thoughts and/or Questions, I am looking forward to read them…

Lets keep going…
This is the Information about the Pekiti Disarma taken from www.pt-go.com:
-Close Quarter Blade Disarming


Is this the way you have been taught/are learning or teaching?
Do you know the Drills/Techniques/Forms above?
How do they work / Can you describe it/them?
How do you Train/Teach them?
What do you think (have you learned) is the “Essence” of this Method?
How do you Train, this Method (how often, which Drills etc.)?
How did you Learn this Method?
Who taught it to you?
What (other) Drills and Techniques do you use to Train / Teach this Method?

What else do you know or want to tell all of us about this Method?
Etc. etc. ect.

I am very much looking forward to your answers!

Some additional Information from pekiti.com:
Pekiti-Disarma "Pekiti- Disarming" 180 disarming and takedown patterns, divided into 2 sets of 90:
1st set: Stick-to-Stick disarms -(includes counterstrike, disarm, knock out, takedown and/or finishing technique) 30 angles of entry ( 5 on a high forehand- 5 on a high back hand and 4 each on forehand strike to leg, back hand to leg, straight low thrust, back hand high thrust, forehand hook thrust [1,2,3,4,5,8,9 in first 12 attacks of Abacedario] 30 counters, 30 recounters.
2nd set: Hand vs. Stick disarms (includes nerve strikes, etc.) 30 angles of entry, 30 counters, 30 recounters.

(Anyone have more detailed Info?)

I hope you will all contribute to this Thread – I am very much looking forward to it!

Yours,
Mono

[arnisador]

My experience is again from Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, not Pekiti-Tirsia, but they do have an extensive set of disarms, for sticks and for knives. Jerson Tortal seems to have a disarm for any possible position in which he finds himself relative to his opponent, often leading into a wrist throw afterwards.

[mosplat]

a quick post:

i was looking at a photo of my brother and i training when i thought of something.
i was throwing a #3 strike at him and he was disarming me with the basic #3 disarm from the 5 defenses drill we have learned.

this disarm flows from a low umbrella that blocks the strike
to a stick grab with the check hand
and a downward punyo strike to the opponents weapon hand
to release the weapon.

in the photo my check hand is hovering around my chest
as he is about to throw that downward punyo strike,
and i thought how it might be possible for me to flow into a wrapping disarm of HIS weapon,
as he in swinging his arm to strike.
(the disarm i mean is the #2 disarm from the 5 defenses.)

i feel like this might be hard to visualize...
does anyone get what i'm saying?

anyway i tried it on him the next time i saw him and it worked!

[GrandTuhon Leo T Gaje Jr]

My experience is again from Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, not Pekiti-Tirsia, but they do have an extensive set of disarms, for sticks and for knives. Jerson Tortal seems to have a disarm for any possible position in which he finds himself relative to his opponent, often leading into a wrist throw afterwards.

I understand you had good training and you had good experience about FMA. When I slash you the Ginunting can you disarm and go down to the wrist and you can disarm. You want to block.

When somebody teach you about disarming you must use your common sense if you have a weapon in your hand, do want to be disarmed. If you have a knife to knife encounter do you want to be disarmed.

The true pure system , like PTK we cut the arm . This is Disarming.

So to comment about many disarming it is just as good you die many ways.

So if I were you don't glorify what is wrong or else people will think that you conspire what is wrong and one dies because of your thread believing that disarming will work then you be guilty. Reality is the subject of the true FMA not stories that it can be done or will happened in reality it will not. Just I saw a demonstration , Catching the Samurai , I think that is going to be real if the neck catches the Samurai.

[arnisador]

Thanks! This seems like good advice. My experience has been that disarms work better in the first part of class, when people are fresh and warming up, than the latter half of class, when people are sweaty and tired. In Modern Arnis we do emphasize defanging the snake, and say that disarms are uncommon because they're just so hard to get into position for that it doesn't often happen.

[SuperToe]

Tuhon Gelinas told me before the striking is more important then the disarming portion, if it happens in the process then great.

I have only seen about 7 disarms and 1 counter to the disarm, I can't even imagine what the other 23 are. It seems to me like it has alot to ofter.

So in the whole system of Pekiti, this section would be of what importance to you guys? Do you train them alot or once in awhile?

I myself train the 7, I know about once a week, both on my right and left side.

MP

[GrandTuhon Leo T Gaje Jr]

For deeper understanidng :
Since Pekiti-Tirsia is a comabt oriented system what has been presented here in the structure of disarming is to know HOW TO BE DISARMED but not to use this as STRUCTURE TO EXECUTE DISARMING. Since we know how to be disarmed , then we don't want to be disarmed, We removed the Arm and this is diarming.

yOU

[GrandTuhon Leo T Gaje Jr]

For deeper understanidng :
Since Pekiti-Tirsia is a combat oriented system what has been presented here in the structure of disarming is to know HOW TO BE DISARMED but not to use this as STRUCTURE TO EXECUTE DISARMING. Since we know how to be disarmed , then we don't want to be disarmed, We removed the Arm and this is diarming.

In the real strategic fighting you have to know the offense before you know any defense which is the counter offense.Just as knowing disarming is to know how to counter disarming.

Pekiti-Tirsia methodology is a life time understanding of what is the system is all about. If you ask questions, it is because you do not know what is the system is all about. You can only ask questions if you know what is the system and that question works because you have lesser understanding and you have no talent to understand then you don't know the answer. The numbers are guidelines not to be memorized and you follow what is number 7 and to number 23. In the higher level, any actions to disarm the weapon are not given a line for one to execute and apply disarming , however if he was lucky to cross the killing line , then the reserve offensive attack will bridge the gap so that an instant recounter is established. Meaning no possiblity of counter.Tri-V Formula solves all of those of questions.
These are the underlying principles in action combat PTK: a. Functionability B. Operability C. Non-Counterability)

[arnisador]

In the real strategic fighting you have to know the offense before you know any defense which is the counter offense.

This is my thinking--one of the most important reasons to study weapons is to know how to defend against them. That's a big part of my interest in studying the use of the knife--to know how to do defend against it.


Just as knowing disarming is to know how to counter disarming.

I found this to be so--when I learned how the disarms worked, it became so much easier to make a small adjustment to my position to keep it from happening to me!

[SuperToe]

Very Interesting!

Thanks

MP