Private Kalis Illustrisimo Training in Manila

[BayaniWarrior]

Hey everyone. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if Master Tony Diego or Romy Macapagal were available to teach private one-on-one lessons.

I plan to visit the PI in December for 3 weeks and I want to absorb as much as I can in a short period of time. If anyone could help give me any info, I'd appreciate it.

-Mike

[arnisador]

Does anyone know?

[Twist]

Well, same answer as in the last few requests like this. Mang Tony (and I guess it´s the same for Mang Romy) mostly teach people they know.

But you can always try to meet the KI group at Luneta park on sunday mornings.. and if you´re lucky, you may get a chance to train with these great Masters.

[BayaniWarrior]

Can anyone give me either one of their contact info?

I'm dying to learn KI, and to learn as much of it as possible. There are no KI instructors where I'm from so I'd like to learn it so I could spread it here in New Jersey.

-Mike

[Buwaya]

Isn't Bakbakan's stateside HQ in NJ? I'm sure there's already people in your area teaching KI.

[Shonin]

When I was looking to study another FMA I went looking in the Mid-Atlantic Region for either PTK or KI. No one at the Bakbakan website seemed to be either answering e-mails or answring the phone. I finally reached John Jacobo. He was very forthcoming, but he had just moved to Arizona and was obviously not an option for regular training. I believe he said that Ray Galang had moved out of the country, and that Christopher Rickets had moved to California. Don't quote me on that. The conversation was a while ago and I may well be incorrect.

However, simply put -- I couldn't find anyone from Bakbakan or KI in my area to study from, or (with the exception of John) even to get back to me.

I finally ended up studying PTK with the Ladra brothers near Baltimore. I am delighted and very happy with the way things turned out. I'll probably have to wait until my next life to study KI.

[CincoTeros]

I heard (though not positive) Ray Galang had moved to Australia.

[CincoTeros]

BayaniWarrior,
Check your private messages box..

[NigelTufnel]

Can anyone give me either one of their contact info?

I'm dying to learn KI, and to learn as much of it as possible. There are no KI instructors where I'm from so I'd like to learn it so I could spread it here in New Jersey.

-Mike

You want to learn it in 3 weeks then spread it in your state?

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

Nigel,

As GM ilustrisimo said:

"Eskrima is easy 1-2-3"!

I take it that you have not been to the Philippines to learn with the Grand-Masters mentioned in this thread? It is possible to train 1 to 1 for three weeks and learn the fundamental concepts of Master Yuli's system.

The problem is understanding and application. For that you need to practice, practice and then practice some more. Master Yuli encourages his students to bring video cameras so when your brain is fried from all the material you can review it in less daunting chunks when you return. The material you will be exposed to will enable you to practice on your own or with your partner for months, if not years (depending how many sessions you have and how quickly you pick it up).

I personally contact a lot of the people that pass through here and try to gauge their satification with the training. Not one person (unless you know otherwise) has had a bad word to say about it. Most of them are compeltely blown away and choose to stop training their previous styles to focus on Bahad Zubu. in some instances they even change the name of their gyms and websites.

If anybody would like me to put you in touch with people who have come and done the training (as I have done myself) I would be more than welcome to. 3 or 4 of them post on these boards as well...

Simon.

[NigelTufnel]

Would a traditional non-commercial group in the Philippines sincerely allow a new student with 3 weeks of training (realistically 3 days a week at the most) to teach the system in the U.S.?


Nigel,

As GM ilustrisimo said:

"Eskrima is easy 1-2-3"!

I take it that you have not been to the Philippines to learn with the Grand-Masters mentioned in this thread? It is possible to train 1 to 1 for three weeks and learn the fundamental concepts of Master Yuli's system.

The problem is understanding and application. For that you need to practice, practice and then practice some more. Master Yuli encourages his students to bring video cameras so when your brain is fried from all the material you can review it in less daunting chunks when you return. The material you will be exposed to will enable you to practice on your own or with your partner for months, if not years (depending how many sessions you have and how quickly you pick it up).

I personally contact a lot of the people that pass through here and try to gauge their satification with the training. Not one person (unless you know otherwise) has had a bad word to say about it. Most of them are compeltely blown away and choose to stop training their previous styles to focus on Bahad Zubu. in some instances they even change the name of their gyms and websites.

If anybody would like me to put you in touch with people who have come and done the training (as I have done myself) I would be more than welcome to. 3 or 4 of them post on these boards as well...

Simon.

[Twist]

Teach non-commercially to keep on training ? Yes, quite sure about it.

Teach on Seminars and represent the system ? Depends on the trainer and what he thinks of you I guess... Depends on your background, your ability to learn, ...

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

Hmmm...interesting how your first 2 posts in FMA Talk are on this subject, eh?

I will answer your question.

You are wrong in your assertion that it is 3 days at most. The instructors program with Master Yuli is complete with 60 hours of one-on-one training with him.

Typically that will span 20 sessions of 3 hours of training.

Regarding other groups here in the Philippines I would not know... What I do know is that Master Yuli is one of the most respected Eskrimadors here in the Philippines and has been for some time.

Unless you've taken the course I don't think you are in a position to comment on how effective it is. How long would it take you to learn how to box? How long does it take to lean how to drive a car? How many different strikes, techniques, etc really are there?

Well, with Bahad Zubu I can answer - 2.

Forehand and Backhand.

What about footwork?

2.

Move in. Move out.

How about different techniques.

2.

Clockwise. Anti-Clockwise.

How do you really learn and understand something? By teaching. As Master Yuli says:

"Simple Basics - most advanced".

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

Twist also makes a good point.

Most of the people going through here are already skilled martial artists.

What is wrong with teaching a working group after having 60 hours of one-to-one instruction with a great master?

I also agree with the seminar points. At the end of the day if people like it don't pay and go somewhere else. Live and let live and just do your own thing :)

[NigelTufnel]

Hmmm...interesting how your first 2 posts in FMA Talk are on this subject, eh?


Why is that interesting? Would you care to elaborate please?

I am looking for teachers in my area in the U.S. I am not aiming to be an instant teacher if that's what you're implying. I joined fmatalk to search for answers to specific points I am concerned about, and so I have a small amount of topics that interest me at this point, hence I am not spreading posts around all of fmatalk's topics.

My understanding of typical traditional informal Filipino groups is that seniority is a big deal. I am talking about non-commercial groups that don't advertise with set training fees and a defined curriculum. Traditional groups may politely allow a newbie to teach, but they will talk behind his back and comment negatively about it. They even somewhat "train" students they dislike because they don't have the heart to push them away and say so in their faces after traveling thousands of miles to find them. Being frank and outspoken is not the norm in these types of informal groups who insist on just teaching friends that they like. Some "students" are just tolerated because the trainers don't want to go through the hassle of rejecting them.

[NigelTufnel]

Teach non-commercially to keep on training ? Yes, quite sure about it.



I take it you had training time with GM Tony Diego of Kalis Ilustrisimo. Did he explicitly enjoin you to teach his system?

[Twist]

I take it you had training time with GM Tony Diego of Kalis Ilustrisimo. Did he explicitly enjoin you to teach his system?
I think every single one of the trainers I had in the past, including Mang Tony, told me to find a training partner to train with - and of course you learn a lot while teaching, so it is a good way to train I guess. - And theres really no way around it if you live far away from your master - other than moving, which is what I'm trying to do ;)

But on the other hand, I wouldn't give seminars or lessons for money and by doing that represent the system; not until I was explicitly told to do so. And even then - most Filipinos are very nice ppl and if you go there and they get the impression that this kind of approval is what you want, they may just give you a title or something like that. But I guess then you should be honest and compare your abilities to the abilities of your master and his senior students.. and then decide if you're ready to represent the system.

[NigelTufnel]

I think every single one of the trainers I had in the past, including Mang Tony, told me to find a training partner to train with - and of course you learn a lot while teaching, so it is a good way to train I guess. - And theres really no way around it if you live far away from your master - other than moving, which is what I'm trying to do ;)



I wish you good luck on your journey to learn more. I hope you do find a partner.



But on the other hand, I wouldn't give seminars or lessons for money and by doing that represent the system; not until I was explicitly told to do so. ........... But I guess then you should be honest and compare your abilities to the abilities of your master and his senior students.. and then decide if you're ready to represent the system.


The problem with that is, it's highly subjective, inherently prone to bias and prejudice.

[Twist]

I wish you good luck on your journey to learn more. I hope you do find a partner.
Nah, you got me wrong.. I'm moving to SE-Asia ;)


The problem with that is, it's highly subjective, inherently prone to bias and prejudice.
Honestly, if you've ever trained with ppl. like Mang Tony and Tom, or Mang Yuli or, I dont know, Bobby Taboada, Dan Inosanto, ... you WILL be able to compare your own level to their level. And of course a video is always helpfull ;)

[NigelTufnel]

Nah, you got me wrong.. I'm moving to SE-Asia ;)


;)

I used "journey" figuratively. Nevertheless, good luck.




Honestly, if you've ever trained with ppl. like Mang Tony and Tom, or Mang Yuli or, I dont know, Bobby Taboada, Dan Inosanto, ... you WILL be able to compare your own level to their level. And of course a video is always helpfull


The popular persons you train with and the presence of your own footage doesn't change the fact that judging yourself is subject to personal pride, unless you're as honest as a saint.

I think an unambiguous explicit appointment by the GM to teach, attested by the senior practitioners of the system, would send a clear message of the right to teach and represent the system, especially if the student didn't ask for a rank and wasn't expecting one.

[Twist]

The popular persons you train with and the presence of your own footage doesn't change the fact that judging yourself is subject to personal pride, unless you're as honest as a saint.

I think an unambiguous explicit appointment by the GM to teach, attested by the senior practitioners of the system, would send a clear message of the right to teach and represent the system, especially if the student didn't ask for a rank and wasn't expecting one.

Hmm.. dunno. You may be right, I dont know. I'm not in it for the money - actually I dont ever want to mix FMA and money, and I'm not the kind of person who wants to teach just to teach, so I may have a different perspective than others.

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

Why is that interesting? Would you care to elaborate please?


Sure. Your one line first post came across like a youtube message. And thanks, I do accept your apology about the "three days at best" line ;)

I commend you for trying to find answers but personally would prefer it if you used a bit more tact rather than hiding behind a snide sentence and come out and say what you really meant from the off rather than having to be coaxed into it.

Basically you are direspecting our Grandmaster and the people who sought him out and made sacrificies to come here and train with him. Yet you are talking about rank and seniority in the FMA...

If you ever have the pleasure of watching Master Yulii teach you will see that he really loves his art and does his utmost to try and impart this to his guests. Like I said before, eskrimadors here in the Philippines people know whats up. I've met famous Masters of other systems and seen their reaction when his name is brought up. The people who have had the pleasure to train and learn from him defintely know. I've seen the bruises and taken them myself.

Why do you think I take the time to ask people "Was it what you expected?" "Do you think you got value for money?". Like I said before in my 2 years here I've seen a few people pass through and not one of them has said to me "Well, that sucked!" Quite the opposite.

Good luck with your "journey" and finding an instructor. I'm sure you'll run into some Bahad Zubu people in the future and hopefully you can see the art in person.

[Twist]

Sure. Your one line first post came across like a youtube message. And thanks, I do accept your apology about the "three days at best" line ;)

I commend you for trying to find answers but personally would prefer it if you used a bit more tact rather than hiding behind a snide sentence and come out and say what you really meant from the off rather than having to be coaxed into it.

Basically you are direspecting our Grandmaster and the people who sought him out and made sacrificies to come here and train with him. Yet you are talking about rank and seniority in the FMA...

If you ever have the pleasure of watching Master Yulii teach you will see that he really loves his art and does his utmost to try and impart this to his guests. Like I said before, eskrimadors here in the Philippines people know whats up. I've met famous Masters of other systems and seen their reaction when his name is brought up. The people who have had the pleasure to train and learn from him defintely know. I've seen the bruises and taken them myself.

Why do you think I take the time to ask people "Was it what you expected?" "Do you think you got value for money?". Like I said before in my 2 years here I've seen a few people pass through and not one of them has said to me "Well, that sucked!" Quite the opposite.

Good luck with your "journey" and finding an instructor. I'm sure you'll run into some Bahad Zubu people in the future and hopefully you can see the art in person.

Hmm.. was there something about Mang Yuli in particular? I shouldnt start replying to threads I didnt read all the way through I guess.

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

Don't worry Twist. It wasn't a personal affront. Nigel is expressing concerns about Master Yui's teaching methods. As Bahad Zubu is a personal expression of Master Yuli then yes, I do take it as an insult.

However, each to their own and train with a :)

[NigelTufnel]

Don't worry Twist. It wasn't a personal affront. Nigel is expressing concerns about Master Yui's teaching methods. As Bahad Zubu is a personal expression of Master Yuli then yes, I do take it as an insult.

However, each to their own and train with a :)

?!

I wasn't asking about Bahad Zubu or about your Master Yuli. Was I talking about your particular system? I most definitely was not. Wasn't the threadstarter clearly seeking GM Tony Diego who is not part of Bahad Zubu?

Prior to my First post in This thread, there was no mention of Bahad Zubu or Yuli Romo. You injected that specific system in this topic (and in so doing advertise your equipment website and your system's crash course program as well), and now it's my fault and I have to apologize for purportedly speaking ill of your system?

I was clearly talking about informal non-commercial groups. I wasn't referring to your system which I think does not belong to that category.

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

Thanks for the clarification.

Maybe there's been a bit of a misunderstanding...

The threadstarter was looking for KI groups in Manila of which Bahad Zubu is one.

Master Yuli was mentioned in post number 3 before your post.

I have put him in contact with Master Yuli before and have been in email contact with the OP.

I do not need to answer posts just to advertise as I sponsor the Kali Ilustrisimo forum ;)

[NigelTufnel]

Thanks for the clarification.

Maybe there's been a bit of a misunderstanding...

The threadstarter was looking for KI groups in Manila of which Bahad Zubu is one.

I have put him in contact with Master Yuli before and have been in email contact with the OP.


The threadstarter was looking for GM Tony Diego and Master Romy Macapagal specifically in this thread and both teachers are not part of Bahad Zubu. Your PM's to the threadstarter are not part of this discussion.





Master Yuli was mentioned in post number 3 before your post.


page 1:
http://fmatalk.com/showthread.php?t=4836

No such mention in that page. You were the first to insert your system in this thread, after my post.




I do not need to answer posts just to advertise as I sponsor the Kali Ilustrisimo forum


Your username is an ad. Frequency in threads, more visibility.

[PG Michael B]

Man what a waste of good thread space. gees..does it really friggin matter? Like a short bus..all drool and helmets.....just train and drive on.

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

*Sigh*

Great way to introduce yourself on FMATalk eh Nigel?!

Thread title is "Private Kali Ilustrisimo Training in Manila". Right?

Master Yuli is the 2nd most senior KI practicioner and teaches privates in Manila.

I must admit I did make a mistake and saw "Mang Romo" when actually it says "Mang Romy". So I'll give you that one but please see the point above regarding the relevance of what I have posted.

Are you an admin / moderator of this site? If they have a problem with my username they can contact me about it. I have been in contact with most of them since I've been here and this hasn't been mentioned.

Thanks for all your concern and I hope you enjoy other areas of the site and not just this thread;)

[arnisador]

The user name is fine.

Let's focus on the topic of KI training in Manila.

-Arnisador
-FMAT Admin

[arnisador]

Let's focus on the topic of KI training in Manila.


Personally, I would be in favour of it.

[RETIRADA]

I respectfully recommend that we focus the KI forum and threads to the sharing of KI training tips, history of the art, history of the people behind the system, where it has been and where it is headed.

The KI family is very small and we can all learn from each other by sharing and respecting our seniors in this system. By focusing on training we can all become better KI practitioners and preserve the legacy of Tatang Ilustrisimo.

Take care all, train hard and Mabuhay ang KI.

Ingat lagi kayong lahat at magensayo ng magensayo....

Louie

[BayaniWarrior]

Hey everyone. I am the guy who started this thread. I came back from the Philippines 2 weeks ago and I just came across this thread again...looks like a lot had gone on this thread while I was away.

Just to clarify:

1) I did get to train with Master Tony Diego and his group in Manila privately. I must say that I certainly don't regret the experience one bit. They are excellent practitioners of the art and welcomed me with open arms, which I appreciated greatly. They are also some of the nicest people I've met in my whole life.

2) When I said I wanted to spread the system in the US, I meant it. However, by "spread", I do not mean being the new representative of KI in my area or teaching seminars or whatnot. By spreading the art, I am referring to various things... and teaching the material being only one of them. Master Tony Diego himself gave me permission to pass on what he taught me to others...primarily the footwork, strikes, and Punta Y Daga drills/techniques. However, in order to ensure the quality of the material, I have personally chosen to not go on a wide-scale teaching this, since I know I have much to learn and that if I want to teach it, I want to learn more about it. However, if someone wants to learn the basics of KI and they ask me to teach them...I will gladly teach them. This is not to grant myself fame or fortune. Rather, it's a means to promote Master Tony for the kind and generous human being he is and the art he cherishes so much. I am not claiming to be a "new heir" to the KI system as taught by Tony Diego...I am simply a guy who went over to Manila to learn as much as I possibly could...and in the process, I realize I wanted to help my teacher out as much as possible when I got back to the US. He gave me permission to "spread the art", as he puts it and gave me permission to teach it. However, again, I have chosen to not do so on a wide-scale.

Hope that clears things.

Respectfully,
Mike

[medic]

Sounds like you had a great time and have a lot of memories to cherish.

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

That's great Mike!

I am glad you was able to get some training sorted out in the end.

Best wishes,

Simon.

[NigelTufnel]

Hey everyone. I am the guy who started this thread. I came back from the Philippines 2 weeks ago and I just came across this thread again...looks like a lot had gone on this thread while I was away.

Just to clarify:

1) I did get to train with Master Tony Diego and his group in Manila privately. I must say that I certainly don't regret the experience one bit. They are excellent practitioners of the art and welcomed me with open arms, which I appreciated greatly. They are also some of the nicest people I've met in my whole life.

2) When I said I wanted to spread the system in the US, I meant it. However, by "spread", I do not mean being the new representative of KI in my area or teaching seminars or whatnot. By spreading the art, I am referring to various things... and teaching the material being only one of them. Master Tony Diego himself gave me permission to pass on what he taught me to others...primarily the footwork, strikes, and Punta Y Daga drills/techniques. However, in order to ensure the quality of the material, I have personally chosen to not go on a wide-scale teaching this, since I know I have much to learn and that if I want to teach it, I want to learn more about it. However, if someone wants to learn the basics of KI and they ask me to teach them...I will gladly teach them. This is not to grant myself fame or fortune. Rather, it's a means to promote Master Tony for the kind and generous human being he is and the art he cherishes so much. I am not claiming to be a "new heir" to the KI system as taught by Tony Diego...I am simply a guy who went over to Manila to learn as much as I possibly could...and in the process, I realize I wanted to help my teacher out as much as possible when I got back to the US. He gave me permission to "spread the art", as he puts it and gave me permission to teach it. However, again, I have chosen to not do so on a wide-scale.

Hope that clears things.

Respectfully,
Mike

Wow you're a KI teacher now. Do you think senior KI practitioners agree that you can teach? The problem with finding out about them is, most qualified KI teachers from Manila won't even advertise themselves on the net. But fresh new "instructors" do, like you.

Why didn't you choose to train with Bahad Zubu in Manila instead? Certainly they're a lot easier to locate and contact with eskrimakaliarnis.com (http://fmatalk.com/member.php?u=1676)'s constant promotion of his system. Why didn't you train in Bakbakan KI in New Jersey USA? They're a hell of a lot closer aren't they?



I noticed that when there's a thread where someone looks specifically for GM Tony Diego's KI Repeticion Orihinal group in Manila, other KI groups such as Bakbakan/IlustrisimoUSA and Bahad Zubu step in and invite the prospective student their way. This happens a lot and this thread is one example. I also noticed that practitioners from GM Tony's group don't reply publicly and don't welcome prospects or lure them in via the internet.

Based on the threads here and in other forums, I wonder why senior instructors from Bahad Zubu and Bakbakan have expressed their desire to train with GM Tony Diego, and yet it seems GM Tony's students are not interested in learning from Bakbakan or Bahad Zubu? Why is that?

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

Nigel,

I am getting sick of clarifying this for you.

The thread title was "Private K.I training in the Philippines". I did not attempt to "Steer" anybody anyway from Master Tony Diego. I have had the pleasure of meeting the gentleman a couple of times and no doubt I will do so again over the coming weeks / months / years. When he shows a technique I watch closely. You would be a fool not too. Why you are asking about other people's desires and other forums I do not know. Personal agenda perhaps?

Here is a recent photo of KI practicioners and Bahad Zu'bu practicioners. it was a great day and a lot of sharing and fun was had.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb74/bid4bargains/IMG_0225.jpg

Please, please take your private agenda elsewhere because you're not actually adding anything to this forum and just seeking to create rifts where none exist. Enough of that exists in the martial arts already without having one more troll to add to their ranks.

[NigelTufnel]

Nigel,

I am getting sick of clarifying this for you.

The thread title was "Private K.I training in the Philippines". I did not attempt to "Steer" anybody anyway from Master Tony Diego. I have had the pleasure of meeting the gentleman a couple of times and no doubt I will do so again over the coming weeks / months / years. When he shows a technique I watch closely. You would be a fool not too. Why you are asking about other people's desires and other forums I do not know. Personal agenda perhaps?

Here is a recent photo of KI practicioners and Bahad Zu'bu practicioners. it was a great day and a lot of sharing and fun was had.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb74/bid4bargains/IMG_0225.jpg

Please, please take your private agenda elsewhere because you're not actually adding anything to this forum and just seeking to create rifts where none exist. Enough of that exists in the martial arts already without having one more troll to add to their ranks.

Spare me the troll accusation. I'm simply making a few queries. I simply don't agree with your oversimplifications. Just because I don't politely pat everyone's back (like most insincerely do) doesn't mean I'm a troll. Is this la-la happy happy land where all are truly friendly friends forever?

You're most likely too new in your style and therefore too dreamy and idealistic to put too much value in a recent photo.

Students have photos with famous masters then misrepresent those photos on the net as some sort of endorsement from the master, when the photograph is in fact just a casual gathering that could be very infrequent.

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

What are you on??!!!

By the nature of the photograph you can see it is a casual "get together". I only posted it to show that there is no "rift" as you'd like to claim between the Kali Ilustrisimo factions and that a form of brotherhood exists. I do not put value on photgraphs. I was there LOL!

Anyway, who are you out there in internet wonderland to tell me what the situation is like here in the Philippines between people you've probably never even met?

I have Pm'd the mods and asked for this thread to be closed as right now you are using it to promote your own agenda and not for the good of the FMA Community.

[NigelTufnel]

What are you on??!!!

By the nature of the photograph you can see it is a casual "get together". I only posted it to show that there is no "rift" as you'd like to claim between the Kali Ilustrisimo factions and that a form of brotherhood exists. I do not put value on photgraphs. I was there LOL!

Anyway, who are you out there in internet wonderland to tell me what the situation is like here in the Philippines between people you've probably never even met?


Was I talking about a rift? What rift? There are separate organizations within KI right? If there weren't any, then why the separate names for each org? They're simply separate different groups. It doesn't have to be a rift. Nor does it have to be ideally oversimplified as one unified group either.

You are in the photo yes, but that doesn't make you an expert on what I'm talking about. That's just one photo. You could be there and not be privy to what's really happening unless you are personally close enough to the masters and take you in their confidence. Not all students are.



What are you on??!!!

I have Pm'd the mods and asked for this thread to be closed as right now you are using it to promote your own agenda and not for the good of the FMA Community.

Your sponsor status definitely will have leverage.

Who's to say which agenda is good for FMA? Do you represent FMA?

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

Yes Nigel, I was there but I wasn't there eh? :smirk:

Just like that movie "Hollow Man 2" - LOL!

You're agenda is as easy to work-out as a 2 piece jig-saw. You also seem to be unable to comprehend written English and feel the need to have the last word (Classic troll-itis).

Here are some pictures that might help:

:schild15::schild30:



This thread was rearding training in the P.I. OP has now trained in the P.I ergo the thread is o.k to be closed (IMO) as you have taken it well off topic to suit your own agenda.

Why don't you open your own thread for that so you can discuss them with FMA Community at large and see how you get on?

[NigelTufnel]

Yes Nigel, I was there but I wasn't there eh? :smirk:

Just like that movie "Hollow Man 2" - LOL!

You're agenda is as easy to work-out as a 2 piece jig-saw. You also seem to be unable to comprehend written English and feel the need to have the last word (Classic troll-itis).

Here are some pictures that might help:

:schild15::schild30:



This thread was rearding training in the P.I. OP has now trained in the P.I ergo the thread is o.k to be closed (IMO) as you have taken it well off topic to suit your own agenda.

Why don't you open your own thread for that so you can discuss them with FMA Community at large and see how you get on?

You're too trigger-happy in your troll witch hunt. Anyone not with the popular majority is a troll?

I was talking about training KI in Manila. My questions were about training KI and the varied options to do so considering there are different KI groups with different training styles, different leaders and different recruitment methods. I'm not off-topic. You're just not interested in my queries about training. Instead you dismiss them and insult me. You're not knowledgeable enough to give answers and that must annoy you. Just because my questions seem controversial doesn't mean it's wrong to ask these things.

You called me names, claimed I must be doing drugs, blasted expletives at me, questioned my intelligence with English, and yet you insist you're in the right and I'm a troll.

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

Right. Because all of the above was so blatantly obvious from your first post of:


"You want to learn it in 3 weeks then spread it in your state? "Again, you seem to have problems comprehending my posts.

I said "Please open a new thread to discuss your views".

Why didn't you? Ask away. ...

I am not annoyed in the slightest and to be honest couldn't care less as I am immeasurably happy with my own training which at the end of the day is what this should be about (training). Not slinging mud and seeing what sticks...

[NigelTufnel]

Right. Because all of the above was so blatantly obvious from your first post of:

Again, you seem to have problems comprehending my posts.

I said "Please open a new thread to discuss your views".

Why didn't you? Ask away. ...

I am not annoyed in the slightest and to be honest couldn't care less as I am immeasurably happy with my own training which at the end of the day is what this should be about (training). Not slinging mud and seeing what sticks...


That question is about training and teaching. You inserted a sub-topic of your own after that. If you think what's important at the end of the day is your concept of training, don't impose that on me. That's you're thing. Don't preach it on me.

Why should I create a new thread? This seems a reasonable thread for asking questions about training in different KI groups. Majority of my questions were about training and teaching. You are forcing it to look like a personal affront to you and your system because you misread the posts in page 1 and thought your Master's name was mentioned.

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

I misread one post (and admitted that).

As I have tried to explain numerous times the information I have provided is pertinent to the topic as I can help and do help people train in Manila. Neither Master Tony or Master Yuli advertise directly as they don't use the PC a lot so it is up to us students. I'm sure you can understand that much at least.

Now you want to expand the topic to:

"...asking questions about training in different KI groups".

Which is a whole different topic entirely and deserving of a new thread. You want answers - ask questions ;)

[arnisador]

Your sponsor status definitely will have leverage.


I don't make any money here. It all goes to Mr. Hartman to defer the costs associated with this site.

This thread is now a back-and-forth between two members. That's best taken to e-mail or PM. I'm closing this thread, but anyone is welcome to start a new thread on any FMA topic from it that deserves more discussion. I'm closing it only to shift attention back to the arts.

-Arnisador
-FMAT Admin