Balintawak & the use of Punta y Daga

[Mono]

I extracted this excelent Post from a different threat since I thought it is worth more attention.

This is actually the first time I ve seen the Use of Punta y Daga in Balintawak; since it is a rare thing, I was hoping to be able to start a Discussion on this Subject...

Who out there is (still) training, teaching or learning the Use of Punta y Daga in Balintawak?

How does it fit into your regular Stick to Stick Play?
Maybe any Coments on training Methods? Principals? Concepts?

Looking forward to a great Discussion!

To Start with:


Guys,

Please see these links in youtube. This is the Teovel's Balintawak Basic Defense drills against Punta Y Daga by Monie Velez. This video was taken 8 years ago. Well emphasized and simple to make it easy for you to follow. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0P_tVUyuQ0 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJZ326gh5s ). I hope you enjoy!!

Thank You.

Then most of us probably read about Anciong Bacon having used the Knife (in a Punta y Daga way) during his early Days of Training as well.


Tatay Anciong at some point when he was training with the Saavedra's, he used to have the knife, since espada y daga is his forte. Apparently, he has a habit of poking his partner and injuring them, hence the removal of the knife by the Saavedra's. Balintawak is the evolved form of his cultivation during his time spent in Labangon Fencing Club.


One more post on the Usage of the Knife while in Stickfighting is extracted from y Post by GM Bobby Taboada:



GROUP FIVE... TEACHING THE STUDENT HOW TO DEFEND THE PUNCHES AND LOTS OF VARIATIONS. IT USED TO BE USING THE KNIVES BUT GM JOSE VILLASIN MAKE IT IN TO PUNCH FOR SAFETY. (OLD DAYS, MOST BALINTAWAK PLAYERS ALWAYS USING THE SHARP KNIVES).


And one More by his Student, Robert Klampfer:


Mitch:

That specific reference was to what are now punches in the group five were originally also thrusts with a knife - punta y daga. There were apparently quite a few injuries while using the knife. Having played this with the knife, I can tell you that it is dangerous at full speed, even with a training blade.

Robert

Collecting from other Sources, I found the following that was said by GM Moncal:


GM Bacon was then my second teacher when I met him at the club of Balintawak. Under his teachings, I have learned the short cut method and the “Punta y Daga”.

see here for full Interview:http://www.necopa.com/People/Mongcal/Interview/interview.html

I am not sure if the Punty y Daga is still taught in the Monca Lineages, at least there is little Mention of it on their website...

Also, I ve read on a german Forum that the "Atillo Balintawak" still teaches the PyD - though I have not seen how its done...

Summary:
Though there is some stuff about "Unarmed Balintawak vs Knife and "Balintawak Knife vs Knife" out there, the Subject of Punta y Daga is mentiond often but Information on what it looks like, how its beeing (or used to be) trained etc is very rare (so thanks a million again for the Videos above!!!)...

Hope there are some of you out there who can fill this Gap! :)

Thanks a lot!

Greetings from Germany,

Philipp "Mono" Wolf

[yomitche]

Thanks a lot for posting those videos, Mono. For whatever reason, I had not come across them before. I am continually impressed by the breadth of Balintawak and am often introduced to some aspect or element of it that I was unaware of before. The stick and knife together, as an aspect of Balintawak, is a perfect example.

The video samples that you shared showed only defensive responses to Punta y daga. I didn't notice any instances in which both "players" were using punta y daga. Have you noticed any of these?

The little Espada y Daga that I have done in the past didn't really compliment my training or overall development, because it was rather abstract and inconsistent with my training; it just didn't fit in with the system I was learning. To see this as a part of Balintawak is very encouraging because it means that it might be able to fit into my development more fluidly.

How else can or does punta y daga fit into the regular Balintawak training?

[arnisador]

Then most of us probably read about Anciong Bacon having used the Knife (in a Punta y Daga way) during his early Days of Training as well.

Yes, I've heard the stories often but never seen the techniques!

[yomitche]

Sorry... I didn't realize some of these links were originally posted by member "Teoval's Balintawak." Thank you and I hope I have properly credited those who have contributed to this thread of information.

[Mono]

Sorry... I didn't realize some of these links were originally posted by member "Teoval's Balintawak." Thank you and I hope I have properly credited those who have contributed to this thread of information.

I was just going to Correct this ;)

As I wrote in the opening Threat, those Videos, postet by user "Teovel's Balintawak", showed something I had read a lot about but never seen "in Action" before.

So I figuered its time to explore some of the Punta y Daga / Espada y Daga of Balintawak.
For one to see how they fit into the Balintawak Methods and Training and also, to compare them to what I have seen and prcticed in Espada y Daga from other Systems such as Modern Arnis, Abanico Tres Puntas, Pekiti Tirsia or Inosanto Kali for ex.

Looking forward to more people to contribute!

Yours,
Mono

[Mono]

Just realized that there is another Balintawak Video, showing some Punta y Daga (from CEM Group Cebu):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfbQXG3GK_Q

Starting at appx 1:04

Thought I d share it to add to the little Visual Information that there is on this Topic so far...

Greetings!

Mono

[free2flow]

Punta y Daga training by Master Eddie Velez with Master Oliver Mag-uyon of the World Original Teovel Balintawak Group (WOTBAG)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTEZCIGW_IE

[yomitche]

Good clip! Thanks for posting the link.