old tire usage

[lonecoyote]

Anyone use old tires in their training for stick? It might be a good topic to explore. How do you build a tire dummy? Do you just hang a tire? Does anyone do the drill with two people, one holds the tire and moves, and the other strikes?

[arnisador]

The instructor I am training with here in Albuquerque is planning on setting this up soon. He says he used to have tires set up, then needed the space for other things, but now hopes to bring them back. He also says having one person hold them up hile the other beats them gives a good workout for both parties! I myself have never done tire training in a serious way. I do use a BOB or other striking bag from time to time, though, and have also used trees (sorry, Mother Nature). I'm told you get quite a rebound from the tires, unlike what you get from most other surfaces.

[Sheldon Bedell]

I have hung old tires from trees befor to practice on, I have also used the old inner tube and filled it with sand tieing the ends to use as a strikeing object

[blindside]

I've got an old tire hanging from my basketball hoop, gives me a target for practicing full power slashing, I use the pole for thrusting practice. I can't say I use it for much drilling, just mostly for power generation and really basic combinations.

Lamont

[Far Walkers Moon]

I agree old tires are great for helping to build strength but seem to have little other use except to bang out a drill on or do free sparring with something that dose not hit back

[bart]

Hey There,

The tire stack is a very common piece of equipment for training in Doce Pares. I have a tire stack (8 or so tires laid down horizontally and stacked one on top of the other with a center piece threaded through them). I highly recommend using one.

It's a very valuable tool to develop striking skill, especially in terms of continuing the flow of striking after you've made contact. It is much more durable than a heavy bag and can be used for "bagging" by more than one person at a time. It's especially durable against thrusts and butt strikes allowing development of skill in those strikes unafforded by other equipment.

We use the tirestack to work on combinations, proper alignment for striking, dealing with the rebound of a strike, specialized striking, and flow. It's also a great tool for building endurance. In Doce Pares, we have drills and practices that help you maximize the benefits of your training against the tirestack. It's just like any other tool, the better you know when, where, and how to use it, the more benefit you'll earn employing it.

[Sheldon Bedell]

I agree it is great for getting used to a rebound ( you can get some nasty ones if your not ready for them) and for endurence ( the tire never seems to wear out but my arms do

[bart]

Hey There,

I just read the first post again and noticed the construction part.

My first tire stack cost me under $30. I made a center piece to hold the tires out of two 6' 2x4s with struts at each end and two in the middle. I then used two metal joists or brackets to fasten it to a 36" wooden table top. To the top I fastened four locking wheels.

The tires I was able to get for free from a used tire shop. They told me that it saved them the disposal fee and was no sweat. I only had to clean them up a bit and make sure the ones I got didn't have steel belt sticking out.

Below is an image that I hastily put together to show how it looked after construction without the tires:

http://capitaldocepares.com/images/other/stack.bmp



I hope that helps.

[Far Walkers Moon]

Thanks for that information

[lonecoyote]

Yes, thank you!

[Buwaya]

Bart,

Would you mind taking a picture for us?
I've heard good things about Doce Pares and their tire work.


Thanks!

[bart]

Bart,

Would you mind taking a picture for us?
I've heard good things about Doce Pares and their tire work.

Thanks!
Sorry it took me a bit. This is a set of pictures off of my current home stack with the tires off. It is of a slightly different design with wood reinforcement instead of joists. I hope this helps.

http://capitaldocepares.com/images/products/stackSkeleton.jpg

[Buwaya]

No problem Bart,

We all have busy lives. Would you posting another picture when you have the tires on?

How'd you do at the gathering?

[bart]

No problem Bart,

We all have busy lives. Would you posting another picture when you have the tires on?

How'd you do at the gathering?

I keep the tires off during winter because they just fill up with water and become mosquito havens. I'll pop them back on when spring rolls around and it doesn't rain enough to fill the tires. I have a stack indoors where I teach. I'll snap a picture of that.

As for the Gathering, it was an experience as always. If fought with Gints Klimanis, Nick Pappy Dog Papadakis, and Lucasz Bliski. They were all good fighters and I took away alot from each fight. I fought twice with single stick and once with a section of garden hose. I went the full amount of time for all fights except for one where I tapped out to Pappy Dog. It was fun and worth doing. I suggest it to all those with paid up medical insurance. I actually got footage from two of my fights in the trailer for the DB reality show pitch.

The Gathering is always a positive experience, although it does take a little time to heal from, especially if you use it as a testing ground for things that you're working on. Some stuff flies, and other things definitely don't. You find out where the rubber meets the road, or rather where the rattan meets the front of your t-shirt. :)

[bart]

I just posted this over on the Dog Brothers forum. I thought it might have some relevance since it's about a different type of dummy that I built.



ok, heres the problem. i cant always work with a partner and i need 2 hit something! so i want 2 start working a tire, but i live in an apartment and there is no room n the basement. anybody have any ideas about what i can do/build? not 2 thrilled about the idea of holes in the wall and my girlfriend wont be 2 happy about a tire standing around so, i would prefer something free standing. any products out there?
ptotts

The first dummy I had for hitting with a stick was inspired by a similar dummy my friend and former training partner Steve DelCastillo had built. It was a sewing dummy, as in the type tailors and seamstresses use, mounted onto the bottom of an office chair. He put an old WEKAF body protector on it and jammed a stick into the neck with some balled up t-shirts hockey taped to the top where he put a WEKAF helmet. He'd put his gear bag over the base of the office chair and voila, a dummy. It worked great for his apartment.


I was living in an apartment too. I didn't have any old gear so I needed to come up with something different. I went out scouting garage sales until I found a chair and bought it. I disconnected the seat and then stuck a thick 6' long hardwood dowel, the kind used for curtain rods, into the base. I took an eskrima stick and duct taped it across the top to make a "t". I took all the t-shirts that my wife was going to give to Goodwill, about 5, and wrapped the top part of the pole so that it was thinly covered. The wood of the pole was soft and just a single hit from a stick left a sizeable dent and further strikes took chips out. The t-shirts stopped the damage to the dowel. I took duct tape and wrapped it like a mummy so none of the t-shirt material was showing. This also muffled the sound so my neighbors wouldn't get bothered by the noise. I lived upstairs and that was a concern. I then weighted the base with sandbags. It worked well for everything that I needed. It wasn't the same as a tire dummy, but it did the trick.

The total cost for this dummy was about $20, mostly for the dowel. I later unwrapped it and replaced the t-shirts with a towel which gave it a better feel. That dummy lasted for more than a year and fit perfectly into my coat closet in my apartment when I wasn't using it.

A recap of the materials:

1 wooden dowel about 6' long about 1.5" diameter
1 new eskrima stick
1 wheeled office chair
2 25lb bags of sand
1 roll of duct tape
5 t-shirts or 1 beach towel split into 2 lengthwise

I hope that helps.

[bart]

...Would you posting another picture when you have the tires on?...

Hey There,

This is a different tire stack that I have where I teach:

http://capitaldocepares.com/images/products/tireStack.jpg

Below is one of the tire stack with one of my students, Kyle Short, who's a bit past six feet tall to give this some perspective.

http://capitaldocepares.com/images/products/kyleWithTheTireStack.jpg

[Ron B]

guys thanks for the post I am getting some good ideas here.what I use right now is a railroad tie that I tied to a tree in the backyard.I also use my heavy bag that I hit with pvc piping that is not as hard as rattan sticks.what I need is something that I can put in the middle of my matted training area so I can practice moving and attacking.the ideas you posted bart should put me in the right direction

[Pat OMalley]

I would send you a picture of my tyre stack but unfortunately for some reason ? I cant add attachments at the moment.

The Tyre Stack is very common in a few FMA styles and I have loved using them for over 20 years. A great training tool when your training partner refuses to be hit hard and fast with a stick:mwah:

Best regards

Pat

[blindside]

I would send you a picture of my tyre stack but unfortunately for some reason ? I cant add attachments at the moment.


I believe that adding attachments is limited to those who are "supporting members."

[Pat OMalley]

I believe that adding attachments is limited to those who are "supporting members."Excuse me for being a bit dumb on this, but not been here long, so what is a supporting member?

Best regards

Pat

[blindside]

Descriptions of Supporting Member benefits are here:

http://fmatalk.com/showthread.php?t=72

[Pat OMalley]

OK I get it, cheers mate.

Best regards

Pat

[Alakd'an]

We made our tire dummy from the picture that Bart had in the #8 posting on this thread.
It was easy to make and my Boss, who races on the weekends in ARCA at the Flatrock and Toledo Speedways, donated the racing tires we used. See photos at www.alakdanarnisador.com (http://www.alakdanarnisador.com). in the photos section. Contact me with any questions. Ben Harrison.

[DAMAG-INC]

Here's a video featuring a tire dummy I made myself with a knife, some nuts and bolts and rope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LITCxFHCc

Enjoy!