MT: Modern Arnis, not Notable.

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Modern Arnis, not Notable.
By The Game - Sat, 24 Nov 2007 23:54:55 GMT

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For those who care, it looks like there are some anal warts on Wikipedia deleting entries for those involved with Modern Arnis and it's splinter groups.

Already nominated for deletion and passed have been entries for Jerome Barber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jerome_Barber_%282nd_nomination%29), and Tom Bolden were both deleted. Currently a listing for Jeff Delaney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jeff_Delaney) is also pending deletion. Numerous other Arnis related articles are being "examined", with the majority of those doing so having no Arnis or even FMA experience. Speak up or watch it all vanish. Older existing accounts hold more weight than new sign ups.

Have fun.


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[silat1]

You know this stuff is starting to be as bad as some of the threads which resulted in a temporary suspension of a couple of the members..

I am not a modern arnis practitioner, although I have trained in it in the Philippines and attended a couple of seminars in the states with it..

All I can say is this backstabbing and name calling is B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.

[arnisador]

I don't think this is a Modern Arnis person--more of an MMA person who "polices" the martial arts stuff all over Wikipedia.

[Datu Tim Hartman]

I've read the site and I see that my account is under the same review. To hell with them! If your looking for Modern Arnis, where do you look on the net? Google. Yes wiki is high on the list, but I don't consider it reliable on what we do. Jeff, the Motts, Remy jr and myself are all in the top 10. Yes it is a shame that someone whom has no clue what he's talking about call have this much influence. If wiki doesn't want us there then they can kiss my ass! This is why Hubbard and I created forums like MT and FMAT!!!!

:moon::D:whip::kicknuts:

[medic]

Although I am usually a lurker and do not post, I do appreciate the information and the discussions that occur among the various groups. I have learned a wealth of information pertaining to both Silat and FMA. Thank you Datu Hartman and Mr.Hubbard.

Shaun

[Haku]

Modern Arnis is dead. I have the rank of Lakan Isa sign by GM Presas in 1997. I still teach Arnis but not modern arnis. Modern arnis has more heads than any mythical animal ever did. I lived in the PI for 4 year from 1984 to 1988 stationed at Clark AB RP. I took an 8 count system while there, and have seen alot of filipino martial arts over the years. There are so many systems it is like the wild west of martial arts, just make up your own.

[Bob Hubbard]

I think the "Its Dead" opinion will be refuted by some folks here. Mighta been a thread here or at MT, I don't remember exactly.

But, the argument here is, is it notable, and are the major players also of note? I think they are, or I wouldn't have put as much effort as I did into alot of the initial entries on wikipedia and martialpedia. So, right now JD's up for deletion. If you got a wiki account, go vote. If you can flesh out any of the articles, please do. (But be sure to do it on Martialpeia as well, lol). :)

[Haku]

I think that Modern Arnis very much desires to be in wikipedia and martialpedia. I guess my main complaint is that no one person and come out strong enough to take control of Modern Arnis. That person would have to be strong enough to respect the GM but at the same time make the system their own and run with it and make it better. That what all Masters or GM should do when it is there turn to lead. Lead the system into a better / greater place with their vision.

[Bob Hubbard]

I think that's what most of the org heads are doing, in their opinions. I see MA going the way of Kenpo, where there is the common root, but each branch is just a bit different than the other.

[Brock]

I think that's what most of the org heads are doing, in their opinions. I see MA going the way of Kenpo, where there is the common root, but each branch is just a bit different than the other.

That's pretty much how every style has gone whenever the head dies even when there's a designated succesor. There's always someone that thinks they do it better (and sometimes they even do) or someone who isn't satisfied with the way something is run, or even someone that just isn't feeling the organisation now that the style head has passed away, and just wants to do their own thing. No one is really wrong as long as they're still following the spirit of the original style head. I know one or two guys who have done right by their style when the GM passed and I also know some clowns that have made a mockery of their styles to propagate themselves rather than the art.

[Carol]

This impacts more than just Modern Arnis.

Wikipedia's deletion policy were brought up on a slashdot (http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/31/0328239) article. A poster that identifies themselves as a Wikipedia admin defends the practice, stating that all deletions go to the community to decide.

It's not quite up to the community to decide. We could all join up and say that we are FMAists and we think Mr. Delaney is worthy of a page and it still wouldn't matter. They are looking external documentation, preferably publications and scholarly articles.

In theory, I understand the reasoning behind such a policy. I wouldn't want to read about goalkeeping from a scientist, and I'd rather not read about acid-base titration from a hockey player. However, this also stands to benefit the styles that tend to receive a lot of media attention, such as TaeKwon Do or MMA. Given that the FMAs aren't that well known even among people that train in MA, this does not bode that well for us.

I have to admit that I am disappointed to see what they are doing. While I think that Mr. Delaney is deserving of his spot in the wiki world, I'm even more concerned about the silent heroes. There are many notable martial artists out their that felt their art was more important than their income, or their fame, their rank, or their notoriety...and Wikipedia, in theory, should be the kind of place where someone can learn of their accomplishments. Sadly, it seems that these unsung heroes are the very people that Wikipedia is trying to exclude.

[Carol]

Update:

Wikipedia is keeping the page for Mr. Jeff Delaney.

[arnisador]

Well, good to hear that.

[eskrimador]

that is the politics of modern arnis, any way, names are only for remembrance and ego boosting,but name must be proved in propagating the art and proving oneself in real life.