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arnisador
11-09-2007, 08:23 PM
Waterboarding Drew Critics During U.S.-Philippine War (http://blogs.wsj.com/informedreader/2007/11/08/waterboarding-drew-critics-during-us-philippine-war/)



Those opposed to the use of waterboarding as an interrogation technique would find echoes of their protests going back more than a century, to the U.S. invasion of the Philippines, the History News Network (http://hnn.us/articles/44411.html)reports.


The “water cure,” as it was then known, was widely used in the 12-year war in the Philippines that began in 1898, says historian William Loren Katz. William Howard Taft, then the U.S. governor of the islands, made the technique front-page news when he told Congress it had been used to extract information in the conflict. Meanwhile, a soldier’s letter boasting of giving 160 people the “water cure,” of whom only 26 survived, was made public. The U.S. War Department demanded a retraction.


Opposition papers called Mr. Taft’s remark’s the “most humiliating admission.” Mark Twain, a leading opponent of U.S. imperialism at the time, attacked the use of waterboarding. Did it produce “Truth? Or lies?,” he asked. “How can one even know which it is they are telling.” In private, U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt assured a friend that waterboarding was “an old Filipino method of mild torture” and that no one was “seriously damaged.”I'd always taken it to be an extension of the corresponding Spanish Inquisition toca (tortura del agua) method.

tellner
11-09-2007, 11:49 PM
Are you surprised? This was one of the most popular songs of the Filipino-American War era:


In the days of dopey dreams -- happy, peaceful Philippines,
When the bolomen were busy all night long.
When ladrones would steal and lie, and Americanos die,
Then you hear the soldiers sing this evening song:
DAMN, DAMN, DAMN THE FILIPINOS!
CROSS-EYED KAKIAC LADRONES!
UNDERNEATH THE STARRY FLAG, CIVILIZE "EM WITH A KRAG,
AND RETURN US TO OUR OWN BELOVED HOMES!
Social customs there were few, ladies all would smoke and chew,
And the men did things the padres said were wrong.
They did things that weren't nice, but the padres cut no ice,
So you heard the soldiers sing this evening song:
CHORUS


Underneath a nipa thatch, where the lazy chickens scratch,
only refuge after hiking all day long
When I lay me down and slept, slimy lizards o'er me crept,
Then you heard the soldiers sing this evening song:
CHORUS


Filipinos come and go, but there's one thing we now know
Filipinos are among our fondest friends.
Though we love them to the hilt, still and all we love the lilt
Of this Soldier's Song whose memory never ends:
DAMN, DAMN, DAMN THE FILIPINOS!
CROSS-EYED KAKIAC LADRONES!
THOUGH WE USED TO HATE THEIR HIDES,
TIME HAS TURNED A LOT OF TIDES
WHICH IS WHY WE SANG THE SONG IN DULCET TONES!


It's still sung by the "Military Order of the Carabao" of which former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld is a past chief.

pguinto
12-29-2007, 09:39 PM
I've read that during early American occupation of the PI, mercenary groups like Macabebe scouts, would regularly use the water torture method on natives (suspected guerrillas opposed to American rule) in order to get them to give up their guns. However, many fail to realize that these native merc forces were under the direction and command of American officers.

Being an American Filipino, I have to say that for an American president to imply that this method is Filipino in origin is irresponsible. Further it looks more like another way to deflect responsibility away from the commands of the "civilized white" officers in charge onto their "brown" underlings as something that is inherit to their nature as uncivilized savages.

Also i've read that the Filipinos may have gotten this method from Chinese settlers who predate the European/American occupation. Like Arnisador suggests, it is well known that this torture method was practiced by Europeans especially during the Spanish Inquisition, which occurred between 1478-1834. Therefore it is most likely this form of torture would have been a common method for the Spanish overseers in charge of the Philippines from 1565-1898. The Spanish were known to heavily employ native merc forces like the Macabebe Scouts to do such.

Furthermore, it is well known that the Macabebe Scouts were employed by the US military and as such were given a place within the US military as well as American citizenship. These same groups did not work independently of their own accord. As they did under Spanish leaders, they operated under direct command and supervision of US military command.

A healthy male would probably not die the first time. However permanent or fatal damage may be incurred if done several times. Not to mention the fact that it was usually not done with clean water but with dirty sewage as well as urine.

When i get a chance i will try to locate and post the source links...

tellner
12-29-2007, 10:22 PM
Hardly Filipino in origin. It goes back centuries all over the world. It was particularly popular in Spain and France.

arnisador
01-01-2008, 04:02 PM
Hardly Filipino in origin. It goes back centuries all over the world. It was particularly popular in Spain and France.

Yeah, I certainly associate it with the Inquisition.