Welcome to the Kali Ilustrisimo Forum!

[arnisador]

Welcome to the Kali Ilustrisimo forum! Please feel free to contribute regarding this art.

[Perry Gamsby]

I had the honour of meeting Tatang Illustrisimo in 1994 in Muntinlupa at the WEKAF tournament. He was quite old and frail then but still had a sparkle in his eye and of course, much respected by all present. I beleive he came from Bantayan Island which is next to where my wife comes from (DaanBantayan, Cebu).

I wonder if any KI people could tell me about the name. I was led to believe the original name was Kalis Illustrisimo, meaning the Illustrisimo way of using the Kalis, or sword/blade. I have searched for Kali in several languages and dialects (my wife speaks a couple herself) and have found nothing. I did read that Mr Inosanto and I think Mr Gaje coined the term and it has taken off from there, which sounds plausible. I know when I travelled all over the islands (I was a travel editor with EZ Maps for a while) and over the past 20 or so years I have never come across the word Kali in the name of a style unless it has a connection to a US based group.

As part of my ongoing personal research into FMA and this term for one thing I would appreciate any clarification or opinion from KI people or anyone. Salamat, Perry

[Twist]

Mang Tony and the Manila-Group call it "Kalis Ilustrisimo". I think the term Kali is used by the Bakbakan-Group - Mang Topher, Rey Galang, ... = the American/American influenced Groups.

[arnisador]

What can we do to get more posts in here?

[Twist]

Not much I guess.. there's only a few who actually had any KI training and most of them prefer to stay more private.. unlike modern arnis or doce pares with thousands of players...

[arnisador]

Yes, it's a well-known and well-respected system but with relatively few practitioners who teach the art (as opposed to having melded it with something else).

[azman]

where i can find a training school of kali ilustrisimo here in manila?thank you

[Deep Fat Friar]

Iirc, Tony Diego is in the Tondo area.

[Raul]

Go to Luneta (Rizal Park), there you can find the kalis and bahad groups training every sunday morning as well as the other elders and instructors who might be able to help you. You can also get directions how to go to the bakbakan headquarter.

[eome]

Luneta is the traditional meeting place of the Ilustrisimos. visit the place.

[azman]

thank you for the reply...very much appreciated

[Datu AbdulJakul Salsalani]

Hi All! My name is Datu Abdul Jakul Salsalani of Los Angeles, California and I am the one and only true representative of Filipino Underground Consolidated Kali.

My favorite Arnis is the Ilustrisimo style and I look forward to many great discussions with you on this wonderful art.

[JohnJ]

I am the one and only true representative of Filipino Underground Consolidated Kali.

PM me if you wish cause I know someone else who goes by the same title.

[Twist]

Filipino Underground Consolidated Kali

Hmm.. I dont get it?

[Datu AbdulJakul Salsalani]

Twist, your not need for get it. Just your hope it does not get it to you!

[Datu AbdulJakul Salsalani]

You must mean be refer to Abdul Jakol.. I am his evil twins Abdul Jakul...

[arnisador]

We're certainly happy to have more KI practitioners here!

-Arnisador
-FMAT Admin

[JohnJ]

OK...to the evil twin, can you enlighten all of us on what exactly Underground Consolidated Kali is?

[Datu AbdulJakul Salsalani]

Double Thank You for your interest in my styles of the Arnis!

The Filipino Underground Consolidated Kali is a good one for everyone because the

1. 'Filipino' is because I am Pilipino and am drived by the same methodologies as in the time of Richard the Lion Hearted to the Inquisition Period to the Civil War in the US and the Spanish revolution in the Philippines!

2. 'Underground' is for the technoogy of the indigineous combat blades that shall forge our higher strata of methodology that will provides the delivery systems that shall put your opponent under the ground! Using the technicala of this technology will make his gone!

3. 'Consolidated' is a referral of how the kali will move to the new spectrum of training that will separate the men from the boys. And hence rewarded for becoming a man is the solidifying of your training that will permit the expounding transformation into the warrior!

4. 'Kali' is representatives of the dog of Collie as we are in this system like the pit bulls of ideological warfare and the culture of trainings for discipline!

And I have the solely been the one and only responsible for combining this four elements into the cohesive, comprehensive hole of Filipino Underground Consolidated Kali!!!

Salamat
Datu Abdul Jakul Salsalani

[oosh]

*YAWN* go fish somewhere else :P

[Datu AbdulJakul Salsalani]

Fish? oosh, Who are you to talk to someone you do not know in such a manner? If you're like we can cmake the chit chat about this fish outside of Staples Center in the downtown Los Angeles. You will be very scary of there!

[Datu AbdulJakul Salsalani]

hello mr JohnJ, to further elaborating on my previous entry my I have ask all of our group to make a definition of the style and presenting to you the collective ideological presentation of our styles as written by our number 1 fighter in the group who is always ready to make a challnge beside Staple Center!


THIS IS DEFINITION TO MY GROUPS NAME.

AND BELOW IS THE DEFINITION OF THE DICTIONARY.


WE MAKE A TRAINING IN THE UNDERGROUND METHODS TO MAKE PURE AND MAKE A SECRET STYLE.

WE ARE ALL A FILIPINO GROUP. WE HAVE CONSOLIDATED THE MOST DANGEROS AND LETAL TECHNIQUE OF THE FMA, FROM ALL THE GREAT GRAND MASTERS OF ALL AROUND PHILIPPINES.

WE MAKE THE PRACTICE IN MY SECRET BASEMENT WITHOUT A LIGHT, TO MAKE A COPY OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE SECRET CAVE TRAINING IN PHILIPPNES

THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT IN THE U.S. MARTIAL ARTS MAGAZINES.

ON THE WALLS AND THE ROOF, I HAVE PUT A STICKS WITH THE SPRING AND ALSO A BROKEN GLASS AND A WATER ON THE FLOOR TO MAKE AS THE BOODY TRAP,

LIKE THE CAVE OF DETH OF SERRADA STYLE ( i.e., DECUERDAS CAVES IN CEBU )

MY ASSISTANTS THEN USE THE SLINGSHOT AND THE BOW AND ARROW TO MAKE A SURPISE ATTAK TO HIS FEET.

BY DOING LIKE THIS ONE, I MAKE IT A SECRET WAY TO TRAINING MY STUDENTS TO MAKE HIM HARD LIKE A CONCRETE.

SO ACTUALLY, YOU CAN SAY THAT WE ARE THE ORIGINAL STYLE OF THE "ASTIG" .. THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE MAKE TRAINING IN THE UNDERGROUND METHODS.

ABOUT MY STYLE :

IT IS A VERY DANGEROS STYLE TO MAKE A STICK FIGHT....

AND THE KNIFE FIGHT ... IS A FETAL ! ! !

YOU WILL SEE A BLOOD FOR SURE !

IN OLD DAYS PHILIPPINES, YOU HAVE HEARD OF THE OUTLAW PATAYAN DETH MATCH?

WE HAVE A TYPE OF CHALLENGE ALSO IN MY STYLE , BUT IT IS CALLED THE 'BASAGAN'.

SINCE IT IS ILLEGAL TO MAKE A DETH TO ANOTHER PERSON, WE USE THE 'BASAGAN'!

NO DETHS !... JUST ONLY TO MAKE BROKEN TO YOUR OPPONEMTS.

MY GROUP ARE STRONG AND A HARD LIKE THE CONCRETE ........

AND WE CAN MAKE A STRIKE TO ANYWHERE YOU LIKE, WITHOUT THE TELEGRAPH .....


BUT WE ARE MAKE THE SAFE TRAINING FOR ALL ...

OUR TRAINING IS A SAFE LIKE THE DRIVERSIDE AIRBAG!

BY JUST USING OUR METHODS OF THE FILIPINO UNDERGROUND CONSOLIDATED KALI ..... WE ARE TO MAKE UNSTOPPABLE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN MY SYSTEM.

IF YOU WISH TO HAVE A SEMINAR, YOU CAN CONTACT TO ME ANYTIME.

YOUR FRIEND.

DATU ABDUL JAKUL ... NOT JAKOL (HE'S MY BROTHER) SALSALANI

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consolidate

make (something) physically stronger or more solid : the first phase of the project is to consolidate the outside walls



underground


beneath the surface of the ground : miners working underground.
in or into secrecy or hiding, esp. as a result of carrying out subversive political activities : many were forced to go underground by the government.

[oosh]

Fish? oosh, Who are you to talk to someone you do not know in such a manner? If you're like we can cmake the chit chat about this fish outside of Staples Center in the downtown Los Angeles. You will be very scary of there!

Staples Center ? let's meet on the moon..it's about as plausible...*bigger YAWN* ;) I wont be hard to spot, I'll be armed with a halibut and mackerel :D

[MichaelJB]

I'm not the only one that notices the acronym made by the style's name...right? I mean no disrespect but I'm having a hard time determining how serious this is...but then, I admit to my igrorance of K.I. I have had NO exposure to K.I or any of it's branches at all.

[Twist]

Hmm.. I dont think it has anything to do with KI ...

[Datu AbdulJakul Salsalani]

you see the oosh is scary to meet at Staple Center he make a challnge like a Lance Armstrong but his afraid of the lesson he will learn in the Kali because I will use a pluma to his face!!!

[oosh]

Serious ? nah this guy isn't serious, he has major problems with himself - the poor guy must have a chip on his shoulder, but doesn't have the testicular fortitude to deal with it in a honest way; so comes on a forum with a pseudonym to air his grievances...wow that's an original approach ;)

[Datu AbdulJakul Salsalani]

"nah this guy isn't serious"

My arnes is too serious that i do come here to reveal my technology of the Kali to you. This is the one you make invite to the moon what a BS!

You are the one who is making criticizing of my message. I have nothing to do for you and then your caming here to say this and that.

If you want tto be a tough like that one by and by we will arrange for fight in Staples Center gago!

[oosh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIp3WzvR0U

:D

[eome]

tell me jakul, why play dumb with your grammar?

[JohnJ]

hello mr JohnJ, to further elaborating on my previous entry my I have ask all of our group to make a definition of the style and presenting to you the collective ideological presentation of our styles as written by our number 1 fighter in the group who is always ready to make a challnge beside Staple Center

Check your PM!

[JohnJ]

Why did you disable you PM?


hello mr JohnJ, to further elaborating on my previous entry my I have ask all of our group to make a definition of the style and presenting to you the collective ideological presentation of our styles as written by our number 1 fighter in the group who is always ready to make a challnge beside Staple Center

Are you serious? Don't waste our time by posting challenges when you don't even know who the members are. If you are serious, feel free to email me so we can arrange an "friendly" exchange.

[GUROBUD]

Hey John,
We will keep an eye open for this guy for you.
Bud

[gagimilo]

Is this for real or what? A prank? I mean, being "underground" and "good for every one", while writing about that same undeground stuff in the 'Net... somehow this does not fit together, And yeah, the acronym is yet another indication of someone playing a prank here.

Also, I just cannot figure out whether the description of the "training facility" is supposed to scare someone or to give credibility to the training itself, 'cause neither works...

[eome]

This guy knows a thing or two, but thats about it. playing dumb to mislead and confuse others but has been in the forums for a long time. if you want a juego to happen, first,dont be hiding behind names you make up. you offer a challenge give the time and place and be there rain or shine.

and please dont mock the names of our brothers from down south PI.

[Imua Kuntao]

Hello, I'm new here. but I believe some people call the art Baha Zubu.

[Twist]

Bahad Zu'Bu Mang'taas Baraw is Mang Yulis Style, which of course consists of a lot of Kalis Ilustrisimo, but is also influenced by the Romo and Borinaga Eskrima as well as Joe Go's teaching.

[PG Michael B]

Bahad Zu'Bu Mang'taas Baraw is Mang Yulis Style, which of course consists of a lot of Kalis Ilustrisimo, but is also influenced by the Romo and Borinaga Eskrima as well as Joe Go's teaching.

Yes twist you are correct..but there is much more than just that within Bahad ZuBu ..it also has a very heavy Silat element to it as well...very heavy! Bahad ZuBu is simplicity with intent everything else is simply movement..mustaqeen !

Salaam

PG Michael B
BaHad zuBu
Western HQ SATX

[Twist]

True ;) - I didnt want to simplify, just wanted to say that Bahad Zu'Bu incorporates other styles as well.

I remember my training with Mang Yuli and there are definately a lot of elements that are different from Kalis Ilustrisimo.

[Raul]

Hello, I'm new here. but I believe some people call the art Baha Zubu.
It might be of no inconsequence to you but what you just wrote, baha zubu i.e. when spoken and heard will mean as entrapped in flood which is totally the opposite meaning of Bahad Zubu.

[Datu AbdulJakul Salsalani]

eomoe:

"This guy knows a thing or two, but thats about it."

gago.. your make it sound like i am only beginner but I am founder and GM of the Filipino Underground Consolidated Kali.

"if you want a juego to happen, first,dont be hiding behind names you make up. you offer a challenge give the time and place and be there rain or shine."

OK!! I like juego to happen and invite you to Staples Center for test of skills!!! I will be there on this Sunday morning and you know it is me because I am going to stand in front of the main entrance and I will be wearing my Kobe Bryant tshirt because in the morning I am playing basketball for warm up. You can make PM gago!

[The Game]

Datu sneezy, I await with postules gangly your magnanimous backside, with whirling turlingdromes and rattan aflame. Kobe beware, basketball boom boom, two rounds, Sicilian wake up call. :AR15firin3:57 to 4:20 time for play date, smoke gets in your eyes, contents under pressure, void where prohibited by mom. Juego? Igo? WeAllGo! One Nation under Hef. Pet the Bunny, give the corto baston, nice rabbit, may be used as a flotation device if water landing yes. Are you ready? Yes, Get Ready. For what? why. To Suck It!

****Booom****

:redeemer:




:schild30:

[Bobbe]

Wow, that was...Incredible! Game, my hat is off to you. I thought this Datu guy could double-talk a snake, but dude, you just put him in the ground!

[The Game]

:bow:

[eome]

pm mo ako tarantado.putak ka ng putak. bilisan mo naiinip ako.ill have to book a ticket just to see how good your mouth is taking you.

[arnisador]

I go away for one week and I miss this! Heh, I'm glad someone else had to clean it up.

We think we've blocked the multiple accounts.

-Arnisador
-FMAT Admin

[RETIRADA]

I would like to ask my fellow ILUSTRISIMO practitioners on what would they specifically train on if they only had 2 hours a week to devote to weaponry training.

Thanks.

Louie

[PG Michael B]

Reverse redondo in accordance with the Lutang/Float

[Raul]

I would like to ask my fellow ILUSTRISIMO practitioners on what would they specifically train on if they only had 2 hours a week to devote to weaponry training.

Thanks.

Louie
The first hour will be spent in calisthenics, basic strikes, footwork, two-weapon solo coordination drills, core contradas such as recta, retirada and cruzada. A simple dry-run of all of the above. Actually more of a sprint.
The second hour will be spent in paired practice mostly applications of contradas and/or practice of preset linear or cycle drills.
Succeeding training will hardly change the first hour routines but the second hour can change according to the speed and ability of trainees to pick up lessons.

[RETIRADA]

Thanks Raul and Michael B for your input.

[el maldito de cebu]

may I just ask about the Kali Illustrisimo practitioners around here aside from luneta as the meeting place. thus anyone knows where tatang Illustrimo came from? I just want to know some facts because my great grandma was Illustrisimo I would like to link up my family blood line. these curiousity grew up because I just heard that the Illustrisimo Kali before it becomes a school was a Family system. I hope some of you can contribute to the history of Kali illustrimo of its origin.

[Raul]

You are claiming to be related to the Ilustrisimos and you don't know anything about the Ilustrisimo clan? lol! If you wanna know the origins of Bakbakan Kali Ilustrisimo, go to bakbakan.com; Kali Ilustrisimo, go to ilustrisimousa.com or kaliacademy.net. Or you can opt to go to amazon.com.. buy and read the books.

[el maldito de cebu]

You are claiming to be related to the Ilustrisimos and you don't know anything about the Ilustrisimo clan? lol! If you wanna know the origins of Bakbakan Kali Ilustrisimo, go to bakbakan.com; Kali Ilustrisimo, go to ilustrisimousa.com or kaliacademy.net. Or you can opt to go to amazon.com.. buy and read the books.
thanks bro. guess I already know about them thanks to our bro.s here that shared there time that sharing me infos about my clan. will the illustrisimo clan that I had is non practitioners but they have the same roots. but now I know and I 'am happy that I have a blood of warriors. and filipinos are always known for thre spirit of warriors

[Raul]

Have you met any member of your clan?

[hitmanonpaper]

the KI group in Luneta also sells a couple of good practice daggers and swords. i bought a khukhuri replica dagger there for less than 1000 Ph pesos. :)

[eskrimakaliarnis.com]

You mean this one?

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb74/bid4bargains/Sticks/Kukri2.jpg

It's o.k, but I much prefer this:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb74/bid4bargains/newtarak.jpg

Tarek Pisaw ;)

Welcome to the forum btw!