Firearms and Self-Defense.

[arnisador]

A thread for discussing just what it implies.

Utah Lawmakers Pass a Watered-Down Gun Bill That Lacks a Provision Sought by Universities (http://chronicle.com/weekly/v53/i28/28a02401.htm)


Students at Utah's public colleges and universities may soon be able to request a roommate who does not carry a concealed weapon, but their potential roommates will not be required to reveal whether they have a gun permit or a firearm.


Such was the balance that the Utah Legislature struck in a bill adopted last month. If Gov. Jon M. Huntsman Jr., a Republican, signs it into law, public colleges are likely to designate certain dormitories, or sections of dormitories, for students who prefer roommates without guns.


(Cached version of the whole article here (http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:5kVVHNWTO1cJ:chronicle.com/weekly/v53/i28/28a02401.htm+%22may+soon+be+able+to+request+a+room mate+who+does+not+carry+a+concealed%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us).)

[arnisador]

Wars cause of ammunition shortage Police departments nationwide having trouble training officers (http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=news&article_path=/news/07/news070819_6.htm)



Troops training for and fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are firing more than 1 billion bullets a year, contributing to ammunition shortages at police departments nationwide and preventing some officers from training with the weapons they carry on patrol.


An Associated Press review of dozens of police and sheriff's departments found that many are struggling with delays of as long as a year for both handgun and rifle ammunition, and the situation is no different at the Durango Police Department.

Local ammo’s tougher to get, (http://www.fortmorgantimes.com/articles/2007/08/21/news/local_news/ammo%20shortage%208-21-07%20jl.txt)


Area law enforcement agencies have experienced some difficulties acquiring ammunition due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but so far none has had to curtail range training.

“We’ve always had a fair stock,” said Fort Morgan Police Chief Keith Kuretich.

However, he said rounds for 9-millimeter, .40 and .45-caliber handguns, .223-caliber rifles and shotgun tactical rounds are all on back order.

[franci1911]

Wars cause of ammunition shortage Police departments nationwide having trouble training officers (http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=news&article_path=/news/07/news070819_6.htm)


Quote:
Troops training for and fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are firing more than 1 billion bullets a year, contributing to ammunition shortages at police departments nationwide and preventing some officers from training with the weapons they carry on patrol.


An Associated Press review of dozens of police and sheriff's departments found that many are struggling with delays of as long as a year for both handgun and rifle ammunition, and the situation is no different at the Durango Police Department.
Quote:
Area law enforcement agencies have experienced some difficulties acquiring ammunition due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but so far none has had to curtail range training.

“We’ve always had a fair stock,” said Fort Morgan Police Chief Keith Kuretich.

However, he said rounds for 9-millimeter, .40 and .45-caliber handguns, .223-caliber rifles and shotgun tactical rounds are all on back order.

Local ammo’s tougher to get, (http://www.fortmorgantimes.com/articles/2007/08/21/news/local_news/ammo%20shortage%208-21-07%20jl.txt)



On top of all this, civilian pricing for ammo is going to go up another 30 percent over the next month. $450.00 for 1000 count case of .45 caliber

Not much of a comfort, but it's time for all serious shooters to go deep into reloading.

[silat1]

This shortage of ammo isn't just hurting the civilian police departments. I work with a federal agency who has been short on certain shotgun and M16/M4 rounds for close to two years as we have only just recently received ammo to qualify the rest of the people I work with on my section.. We had 45 people who are assigned to this section, I was one of 5 people who had quals from long arm (ie shotgun and M4) from when I was stateside.. We would get range time just to find out that the ammo hadn't been received from our depots..

Just a word for the wise, if you have ammo stockpiled, start hoarding more as it looks like it is going to be a long dry spell for those of us that do shoot on a regular basis and use the M4/M16 or 45 acp.

Bill
Defensive Tactics

[arnisador]

if you have ammo stockpiled, start hoarding more

But don't let your neighbors know:

Man held, accused of stockpiling ammo (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070906/LOCAL/709060528/-1/LOCAL17)


A man will remain locked up until his trial on charges that he stockpiled nearly 80,000 rounds of ammunition in his home in the belief that the world was on the brink of violent economic collapse.

If memory serves, the story in the actual paper said that neighbors had reported him. In his case it sounsd like he was a potential danger and it's good that he was found out, but it's easy for people who don't know about firearms to misunderstand even a small amount of reserve ammo!

[Carol]

He's a nutcase alright. But as far as misunderstandings....seems like the biggest misunderstanding was the one the nutcase had about the terms of the restraining order served against him.




Rieder faces a federal charge of illegal possession of ammunition in violation of an earlier restraining order taken out by an ex-girlfriend.


Federal court, eh? Hope he likes paying attorneys....

[arnisador]

Miami police chief OKs 'assault weapons' for patrol officers (http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/09/miami-police-ch.html)


Facing an "arms race" with criminals, the Miami Police Department says it has authorized officers to carry high-powered rifles on patrol.
“If I was a police officer out there in a tough neighborhood, I would want to have that in the car.” Miami Police Chief John Timoney

[...]

So far this year, 20% of the city's murders involved such weapons, according to police. Last week, one Miami-Dade officer was killed and three others were wounded when a man opened fire with a "military-grade weapon" during a traffic stop.

[anubis4b]

Miami police chief OKs 'assault weapons' for patrol officers (http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/09/miami-police-ch.html)
How about an upgrade on the vests to go along with the weaponry?

[arnisador]

That sure makes sense to me.