Tempering in PTK..

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I was wondering if any of the long-time PTK people on the board would
care to comment on PTK's "tempering" practices... how similar is it
to limb conditioning practices in silat and muay thai and how extreme
is the practice in general, given the primacy of the knife in PTK.


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Fan

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I think it depends on the individual and some of that is "homework" or extra curricular activities. don't know how other arts do it.

I'd say there is a fair amount of tempering involved in just doing the close quarters drills with the forearm. I like tires and small trees sometimes. I don't do it on purpose so much, here and there on a whim while training just doing whatever comes to mind. Oh yeah and a punching bag... Forearm is the main thing I see as far as tempering.

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I was wondering if any of the long-time PTK people on the board would care to comment on PTK's "tempering" practices... how similar is it to limb conditioning practices in silat and muay thai and how extreme is the practice in general, given the primacy of the knife in PTK.

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Fan

You can train it in a similar fashion as the various "Seven Star" type drills found in other martial arts, and as Jason suggests, can be taken to whatever level you want during various close-quarter empty hand drills. Generally slaps, backfists, ox-hands, ridgehands, back fists (with the knuckes), shoulders, elbows, and shears with the bones on both sides of the forearm have a tempering quality that occurs on own as you practice various strikes against a partner. The same is true of knee and shin contact, etc.

I don't think that it's generally taken to the extreme that you find in Muay Thai training. I'm unfamiliar with Silat practices.

Practices such as repeatedly striking your limbs against (or with) hard objects have a detrimental long-term effect on your nerve-endings in my opinion, and work against you in an art where sensitivity and dexterity are important.

A good die da jieu is important if you're going to engage in tempering practices, as the above video suggests. Ah - that would be the first video.

Best,

Steve

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A good die da jieu is important if you're going to engage in tempering practices, as the above video suggests. Ah - that would be the first video.

Best,

Steve

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Steve

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There you go with the whole food thing again :)

In PTI Pekiti Tirsia we have 5 explicit tempering drills. Three for the arms and two for the legs. The parts of the arms that are worked are the anterior forearm (from anatomical position), ulna side, and the biceps brachii. The legs are tempered at the anterior tibialis and the Ilio-Tibial Band to the Hamstrings. I would also agree with Mr. Baird in that just doing the drills in Pekiti Tirsia will work the heck out of your arms - in a tempering sense. Also, like Steve said, I would advise against doing any kind of tempering work against solid objects. As for liniments, you need a good die da jiu but preferably one that is more cooling and moving than the usual neutral one for injuries. Some of the ones that are made specificaly for tempering are called "Tie Bi Jiu" or "Iron Arm Wine". www.orientalherb.com (http://www.orientalherb.com) has a really good one and I've used it a great deal in my Pekiti, Silat, and Kuntao classes.

As for similarity to Silat.... I'm most familiar with the arm-tempering done in Tjimande (Bapak Willem de Thouars' method) and I'd say that Pekiti's actually has more in common with "arm pounding" methods in one of the styles of Kuntao that I teach. For what it's worth.

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