Apache knife fighting...

[408kali]

Hi All,

I was on another forum and the subject of Apache knife fighting came up.

I was wondering if anyone has more info on it? I know that Blaise Loong is an instructor,

but would like to enquire as to whether there are others who teach the art or know more about

it.

Peace, ~John

[silat1]

depends on who you train in apache knife with.. I have trained with Robert Redfeather a couple of times when I was stateside and his program is all hands on sparring. He teaches the application while giving a lecture and then it's off to the floor learning the movement and committing it to muscle memory.. I would highly suggest that you visit his website:
www.apacheknife.com (http://www.apacheknife.com) and if you have any questions concerning the system, tell him that Bill from Guam referred you to him as he is one of the instructors of blade work that I highly respect.

Bill
Defensive Tactics
Guam

[408kali]

Thanks Bill! Hey just wondering if you've checked out any indigenous martial arts while in Guam? I heard there was also some FMA there at one point, don't know if it's there NOW.

~John

[silat1]

at present time I know of one fma instructor besides myself who is on island.. He is one of Guro Dan's people from the 80's and I have had the opportunity to train with him several times before I moved stateside, but since I moved back in March, I haven't had the chance to hook up with him.. I've been on guam since 86 and there has been only 3 teachers that I know of including myself that teaches the fma and we knew each other and trained together from time to time..

As far as indigenous fighting arts on guam, there isn't any.. the big thing here now is the MMA and we have our share of tkd schools, plus a smattering of traditional japanese karate classes which I am acquainted with one of the instructors who was instrumental in introducing karate into the Philippines some time back..

I hope you have fun talking to Red about apache knife and I know he goes to california a lot to train the guys in pendeleton and he also has family out there, but last I heard, he is scheduled to be in europe on tour this summer, so you might have to get in touch with him asap.. If you can't get a hold of him I can give you another individual who is one of 3 professional instructors under Red and is located in chicago,,

Bill

Defensive Tactics
Guam

[408kali]

Hi Bill,

I'm not geared to jump into it as of yet, to be honest I'm still just curious about it. I would like to read up on it as well as see some techniques up close. I would like to hear your thoughts on what you learned in more detail, as well as others experiences.

Always curious,

~John

[tellner]

Mushtaq, (http://tracelesswarrior.blogspot.com) who grew up on the Mescalero reservation, has showed me a little. The most important thing to remember is that it's not knife duelling. The idea is to sneak up and stick the other guy with the knife before he knows what's going on.

[silat1]

Mushtaq, (http://tracelesswarrior.blogspot.com) who grew up on the Mescalero reservation, has showed me a little. The most important thing to remember is that it's not knife duelling. The idea is to sneak up and stick the other guy with the knife before he knows what's going on.

Todd,
I have experienced some of Mushtaq's apache knife when I did an intro into redfeather's variation at the spring gathering of the tribe of 06, It was a blast seeing how the same name and fighting style changes from individual to individual..
Mushtaq has also shared with me some of his cimande and south african knife as I went to train with him the day before christmas in 06 right before I relocated back to the islands.

Bill
Defensive Tactics/Maharlika Kuntao
Guam

[PG Michael B]

Anything that Mushtaq teaches is gold..he has forgot more than most will know....he is truly a freaking YODA..lol...Silat1 your old crusty ass has more tricks than a 2 dollar hooker...don't deny it you old salt..lol.

[tellner]

Anything that Mushtaq teaches is gold..he has forgot more than most will know....he is truly a freaking YODA

Word.

Silat1 your old crusty ass has more tricks than a 2 dollar hooker...don't deny it you old salt..lol.That's a visual I didn't need:puke:

[kuntawguro]

Me either!

[arnisador]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Knife_Fighting


Apache Knife Fighting & Battle Tactics, also known as AKFBT, is a collection of studies based on the verbal and recorded history of the Apaches. The Apache Knife Fighting & Battle Tactics course is not a martial arts system, nor is it an organized structure of how all Apache Warriors fought. The Apaches consisted of numerous Tribal Bands and Sub-Bands which all fought in various ways, and on various terrains…but one thing the Apaches all had in common was they always fought to destroy. The Apache Warriors fought like animals, and because of their savage mentality, they defeated their enemies in battle after battle. The AKFBT course looks at how Apache Warriors and groups fought for survival, for greed, for revenge, and sometimes, just for the sake of killing. Some tactics were more commonly used among the Apaches, and other tactics were used on occasion, by a handful of Warriors. The Apaches didn’t invent any system of Knife Fighting or Battle Tactics, however, they did, in fact, apply universal principles that effectively worked in many battles, raids, and killing sprees. They applied tactics that benefited them as they fought in the mountainous terrains, desert plains, and river fronts. Battle tactics have been around since Cain killed Abel. Each culture puts focus on certain ways to fight based on many factors (terrain, climate, weapons, enemy force, etc). What works for one culture, may not work so well for another culture. The Apache Knife Fighting & Battle Tactics (AKFBT) course teaches the tactics that worked well for the Apaches, and the history behind their techniques. A Warrior must always learn from the experiences of other Warrior Races/Cultures. AKFBT teaches the mindset of many Apaches, and it takes a look into what made them “tic.” Some Bands created standard ways of training/fighting to prepare them for conflict. This included horse races, boxing & kicking contests, bow & arrow contests, gun/riffle shooting contests, dirt wrestling, knife sparring, and stick sparring. Many Apaches included a variety of cross training formats to prepare them for their attacks. Apache Warriors would begin the training process to become a Warrior at a very young age. By the time an Apache was a young teenager, he/she would be assisting other warriors into battle. The AKBT course teaches what the young teenagers had to go through in order to become a true Warrior. Fighting in various locations meant that the Apache Warriors had to adapt to their surrounding (which would always be different). The San Carlos Apaches fought in different battle fields and terrain than the Lipan Apaches, and the same was true for other Bands and Sub-Bands. Each Apache group used different strategies to meet their unique situation. The majority of Apache Knife Fighting & Battle Tactics come from the 1800s, during the heaviest fighting. Some Apache Tactics are from more recent history. Apaches fought in World War I, World War II (Apache Code Talkers), Korean War, Vietnam War, Desert Storm, and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Modern Apaches have also been active among US Special Forces on Special Operations throughout the world. Apache Warriors are still around today applying tactics for the modern day fighting. The AKFBT curriculum will continue to grow as more conflicts arise among the Apaches. There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to fighting. The Apache's gorilla war tactics came naturally and were unsurpassed. The name Apache struck fear into the hearts of Pueblo tribes, and in later years the Spanish, Mexican, and Anglo-American (“Pale-Face”) settlers, which they raided for food, and livestock. The Apache and the Pueblos managed to maintain generally peaceful relations early on. But the arrival of the Spaniards changed everything. A source of friction was the activity of Spanish slave traders, who hunted down captives to serve as laborers in the silver mines of Chihuahua in northern Mexico. The Apache, in turn, raided Spanish settlements to seize cattle, horses, firearms, and captives of their own. The battles continued with the Mexican and the Europeans. All Apache warriors carried a knife and mastered it's use in battle and for survival.