Shockknife.

[arnisador]

I thought the No Lie (www.nolieblades.com) training blades were a cool idea, though I've never had the chance to use one. But this thing is basically a Taser-knife:
Shockknife (http://www.shocknife.com)

It delivers an electric shock when it hits you ("Enough shock to create arousal in training". I don't know...for me, it seems to suffice to work with a good training partner and to be honest with myself. I don't need to be cattle-prodded.

[loki09789]

I thought the No Lie (http://www.nolieblades.com) training blades were a cool idea, though I've never had the chance to use one. But this thing is basically a Taser-knife:
Shockknife (http://www.shocknife.com)

It delivers an electric shock when it hits you ("Enough shock to create arousal in training". I don't know...for me, it seems to suffice to work with a good training partner and to be honest with myself. I don't need to be cattle-prodded.

Also, how do you know it wasn't the flat that touched you and not the edge, and if it was the edge, was it a cut or not? More buzzers and whistles for the gadget hounds.

[WT_ATL]

I thought the No Lie (http://www.nolieblades.com) training blades were a cool idea, though I've never had the chance to use one. But this thing is basically a Taser-knife:
Shockknife (http://www.shocknife.com)

It delivers an electric shock when it hits you ("Enough shock to create arousal in training". I don't know...for me, it seems to suffice to work with a good training partner and to be honest with myself. I don't need to be cattle-prodded.

I agree. When we train knife, we use a combination of knife trainers. We use your traditional aluminum training blades while performing drills and learning concepts (i.e., blade awareness). But like all hard training blades, once you increase the intensity, it becomes more dangersous to use such training tools, especially when practicing stabs or thrusts. That's when we switch to a padded knife. Padded knives allow us to train at 100% speed and intnesity and most of all 100% intent.

[JohnJ]

From what I gathered from the promo, the idea behind the shock knife is to improve the officer's safety by developing their sense of awareness throughout the stages of interview to arrest. It also aids in teaching them how to control the adrenalin stress factor derived from facing an edge weapon. After all, you will be mentally tested long before you feel a cut or stab (in this case shock) because it is a training tool devised to induce a stimulus response.

All training tools have their place, from aluminum to wooden and plastic/rubber. And yes, the intensity in which people train and honesty to themselves is essential but the bottom line is that aside from using the real thing...a sharpened blade, it is hard to find a tool that will test you mentally beforehand. I don't think it is marketed for the martial artist so for what they are asking and the benefits, it seems reasonable.

John J
www.swacom.com

[Datu Tim Hartman]

Agreed.

[arnisador]

I'm watching Fight Club: No Limits about the Dog Brothers. It says they have switched to using this training tool for their knife fights. The fight they showed had an audible buzzing sound on each hit but I cannot tell if it was added for TV. Neither fighter seemed to really react to the shock as far as I could see though one said afterwards that it was noticeable.

On the other hand, one fighter dropped his knife, went to grappling, was cut to shreds, then arm-locked his opponent and won. If your knife training encourages you to rush in on a knife and do a Judo-style throw then ground-grapple while the blade is repeatedly drawn across your body and recognizes this as a "success" then there's an issue there.

[gagimilo]

I mostly agree with JohnJ on this issue, but the point brought across by arnisador also shows an important thing. Namely, while the shock knife probably does achieve its goal (mental preparedness in expectation of attack), it seems that once the fighters/practitioners get used to the fact that it does not actually bring any real damage, it is easy to disregard whatever effect it has.

Anyway, Mark Denny has pointed himself to that issue on more than one occasion, i.e. that withing the DB set of rules they have problems making knife fights looking/functioning realistically.

Still, on the other sides, there have been quite a few instances or cases where one of the parties involved in some knife-related conflict kept on going in spite of the injuries received and managed to survive and/or subdue the knife wielding assailant. In that case, I guess that the shock knife also help prepare for that type of scenario, i.e. develop that mentality to overcome the obstacles at hand. However, one should be really careful to not let that digress into developing recklessness...

[geezer]

I guess that the shock knife also help prepare for that type of scenario, i.e. develop that mentality to overcome the obstacles at hand. However, one should be really careful to not let that digress into developing recklessness...

Good point. With an electric training device, learning to accept shocks and ignore the pain will allow you to overcome your opponent. With a knife, ignoring cuts will get you killed.

As Arnisador said, the most important thing is being honest with yourself when training. You don't really need to be cattle prodded. But if you like that kind of pain, you can always stick the damned thing up against your tongue.--See my true story on using a cattle prod to impress girls on the recent "electric baton" thread. Unbelievable!

[pguinto]

I'm watching Fight Club: No Limits about the Dog Brothers... one fighter dropped his knife, went to grappling, was cut to shreds, then arm-locked his opponent and won. If your knife training encourages you to rush in on a knife and do a Judo-style throw then ground-grapple while the blade is repeatedly drawn across your body and recognizes this as a "success" then there's an issue there.
My thoughts exactly. Glad to see that i wasnt the only one laughing during the knife fight. At least he did an excellent job of getting the arm bar for the rock bottom price of "6 feet under".

Another comical moment was when one of the "newbies" kept throwing mid line sidekicks during one of the stick bouts. I was amazed that the opponent didnt whack that leg/foot/ankle/knee for a nice charlie horse. No leg, no balance, DONE!!!

"...sweep the leg, johnny.."

[pesilat]

I have played with one of these briefly. It's actually a conductive surface sandwiched between two insulating surfaces. Consequently, a touch to the side may provide a mild residual shock (which would be equivalent to a minor pressure cut you might get when touching the flat of a live blade). There is definitely a very distinct difference in feel between that and what the edge gives you.

When I turned it up to a pretty high setting (not sure how high it actually goes) and touched my leg it felt ... well, it didn't feel like getting cut exactly because when I've actually gotten cut I didn't feel much of anything initially. But it felt like a cut feels after a few minutes - that sharp pain that you get when air hits the raw nerves in the open wound.

I think it's a good training tool ... but it's a bit too pricey for my pocket.

Mike

[Brian R. VanCise]

I think it is an okay training tool but really I prefer either no lie training blades or sharkee's virtualblade system. At least afterwards you know exactly where you got hit. http://www.fmatalk.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[arnisador]

sharkee's virtualblade system

I know the Sharkees but I'm not sure I recognize this system?