knife attack reality check

[HANGAWAY]

To all the knifefighting experts what can you say about this video,
just paste the link to the search bar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeLRoLrgscw&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeLRoLrgscw&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFPxSKXpzn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEjKU0p9JZw&NR
Any relevance to your training styles?

[blindside]

Well sure, there was lots of thrusting, mostly on the 5 and 9 lines, and its not like Pekiti's defense ignore those lines, it can be very tough to get entry and a control on those but that is what we train for, close range attacks. But really most of this is about awareness, all of these attacks are surprises, and it some of the examples the attackee should have been a bit more aware. Also important is that how the attacked often kept fighting/moving even when hit multiple times, it just goes to show you the resilience of the human body.

[monkey]

I watched them & it had a link to some oom guy doing tai chi/bauga also on the side!
If you watch--they do a blinded kick against a water melon & some rolls against a sword!
Gosh if it were that simple!
The knife & blade are too quick & to show such slow slashes & fast
reaction is not the way the arts should be represented!
I see the knife slashes were alittle more real & that was a common thing in the philippines (with the balisong)
The attacker would walk by-open-cut & keep walking & no one saw this event take place!
Its rare to see such how some are portraid on hiden cam!
The attackes are un prevoked & un predictable!
The skilled fighter like a policeman still had problems!
I have the letter & photos from the attack!
The cop had many deep slashes on the front & back upper body!
He assumed his empty hands would preveil!
1 must have some wepons training befor even thinking of such!

[Rich Parsons]

To all the knifefighting experts what can you say about this video,
just paste the link to the search bar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeLRoLrgscw&mode=related&search=

Any relevance to your training styles?

Only watched the first one so far.

I do not consider myself a Knife expert. Yet, I understand a lot of the attributes of the knife and also of being a bouncer or door man, and there is a difference.

To the video at hand:

At time stamp 3 the doorman is touched. He looks away to see who it is. This is ok, but he still lost contact with the person who was the trouble and the person they escorted out.

At time stamp 10 the bad guy puts his hands in his front pocket. A sign that any Bouncer would be aware of.

At time 15 he turns away and ignores the guy completely. His back is turned.


At time 16/17 the doorman gets a cigarette and turns back and puts his hand in his pocket. the hand that is closest to the bad guy.


At time 19/21 another guy approaches and both doormen address him. They take their eyes off of the other guy. It should have been one and one.

On 26 bad guys stabs one and on 27 he stabs another.

And on 39 with lots of backup you see one of them almsot fall down. They are wearing the wrong shoes for the surface and for wet environment.

These guys are Doorman. They are paid to take money at the door and to look big and or look good. They wear their "Uniform" so people know, but they look too nice. They are wearing the wrong shoes, and they have made too many mistakes.

A bouncer would have told the guy to go to his car while his inside back up called for the police and explained there was a problem. If no call being made, then there should have been back up at the door to make sure the person went to their car and left and not come back with a gun or other weapon.

Instead these doormen opened themselves, played on their own egos of having multiple people to call on for help, and all looking nice.

As I could not see how bad the stab wounds were, I cannot speak to how effective the attack was.


As to the relavence to the arts I study, it is very relavent, as I teach awareness, and explain about being prepared. These guys were complacent. It happens.

I also realize that the one couple walking out first could have kidney stabbed the doorman. There will always be openings, the idea is to try to limit those openings, and then be aware and not have your hands in your pocket, with a person you have told to leave and to bring it.

Just my opinion though.

[Rich Parsons]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFPxSKXpzn4

Any relevance to your training styles?


Prison fights are bad. This is one of the reason I absolutely know I am not a knife expert. Against the committed person who is willing to get stabbed back or have their eye pokes out by my thumb while they stab me a whole bunch of times, is really hard to stop. Their are tactics and technqies that help, but with multiple people against one and weapon versus empty hand with committed people who do not care if they die is a very sifficult situation to defend against.

[Rich Parsons]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEjKU0p9JZw&NR
Any relevance to your training styles?


I have seen this one here and at MT before. See those threads for comments.

[langgaw]

Hi all,
just my share........awareness is always first and then unknowingly instincts and training follows. Still it helps to know the basic training drills of knives whether defensive or offensive. If we look closely , the thrusts are all basic and the response can be basic too. If the handler was expert in knives the attack would totally be in a different manner and eth target would definitely be throat, eye, perhapsarmpit or most like ly the ears. And expert handlers are always very discreet and aly. The element of surprise is one of teh experts ace in this game. As fo the defense side.......again awarenes is key....like always anticipating even if the situation does look like it especially in your line of work i. e. doorman bpouncer, or an inmate where a situation has likely happened before the all out riot. As ordinary guys like us , we only need to be aware of our surroundings and be ready for fight or flight (flee/run) .I would however recommend knowing the basics of defense against knife because it would surely help (big time) ....one never knows when that little skills is put to good use. Just me talking... Best to all.

[bladedone]

Mr. Parson's. Being in the same field. I have to agree with you. Very well put.